Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmox@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmox@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E86E3A6837 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:02:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kpa11avKyqFU for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BBE3A69B8 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so243592ugd.15 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:02:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=bSlzWUF+JR3jlW42g6BjcwJuf/gJQRC4y6tTBxjApco=; b=HJMcc/mozsePQZR217s1njx/m9ZxFMeY3vbaX2AzPAY2J5wuO2HJmKB4pZ/0pV4HMO juaneOh9IJKF9bUtC+0WTxa5+lPl4Q3qCojR0i2+Jvc5yYzGi5Pk/oqUIbsX2VveB4rI vmEAwlsRwF2dKXX3atdw+WOwRPtU+mOsP0YV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=umXQ73iZDUM2+pEUAClB40dfcM0ZRVV8gVCZUV385sxdjzfrIgWOqo8/XJhsFvA+is 4dpoRvPNlWMBT5VA+cxU8r62ZyX+t2WOntBu4rPYKZr6cSeDew6KT+h+24jcn9BynpgP 0l+Am/9etQK9pEjepHoxLVOg6ZI7OpclfPT/8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.19.7 with SMTP id 7mr4391005ebs.15.1235480551215; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:02:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:02:31 +0100 Message-ID: From: Catherine Pfeffer To: mmox@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c34a261d5680463a9bbf9 Subject: [mmox] Saying correct things does not exempt from saying them in a correct way X-BeenThere: mmox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Massively Multi-participant Online Games and Applications List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:02:15 -0000 --0015174c34a261d5680463a9bbf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Prokofy Neva wrote; > There should be authentic diversity and choice, and not a forced march to technocommunism. > Copyleftism and collectivism are only one ideology for the Internet, and can't be the only one. I deeply dislike the false association between copyleft and communism. What a bad troll. > Virtual worlds need to be sustained by commerce, and commerce is sustained by property rights. Well, gaming virtual worlds (for example) are not sustained by commerce and they still make a living. In the reverse direction, Open Source too is sustained by intellectual property. See how much we care about licences. For the rest, I agree with what you say. There is more than one world view, and we should not let business models get into a standard. Proprietary, Open Source, Creative Commons, Shareware, Freeware, there's room for everyone and these approaches can coexist in parallel. Could we just avoid starting useless polemics? -- Cathy --0015174c34a261d5680463a9bbf9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Prokofy Neva wrote;
> There should be authentic diversity and choice,= and not a forced march to technocommunism.
> Copyleftism and collect= ivism are only one ideology for the Internet, and can't be the only one= .

I deeply dislike the false association between copyleft and communism. = What a bad troll.

> Virtual worlds need to be sustained by commerce, and commerce is s= ustained by property rights.

Well, gaming virtual worlds (for exampl= e) are not sustained by commerce and they still make a living.

In the reverse direction, Open Source too is sustained by intellectual prop= erty. See how much we care about licences.

For the rest, I agree wit= h what you say. There is more than one world view, and we should not let bu= siness models get into a standard. Proprietary, Open Source, Creative Commo= ns, Shareware, Freeware, there's room for everyone and these approaches= can coexist in parallel.

Could we just avoid starting useless polemics?

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Cathy
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