Re: [mmox] Chartering for requirements only

I once built an IMVU-like hack on top of IRC (used a specially
formatted topic, rather messy), it works beautifully well for
IMVU-like systems but breaks down fast once you need physics, there
needs to be more than mere message passing and what Zha constantly
likes to remind us of: state melding.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Heiner Wolf <wolf.heiner@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I understand that the original intention was to make OGP public and
> get comments. But if that's the purpose you probably should call the
> WG OGP.
>
> We had a similar situation in the Instant Message and Presence WG,
> where several vendors tried to talk about "their" protocol. Lisa
> probably remembers. The situation was solved by chartering the IMPP WG
> to create only requirements, then 2 new WGs worked on "their" protocol
> (SIMPLE, XMPP). I bet we get a similar discussion. Maybe MMOX should
> define requirements and an OGP WG may then work on the OGP way later.
> This gives time for other developers to speak up and add learnings
> from "their" worlds and protocols. Do we have people from Everquest,
> WoW, There, EVE Online, Runescape, Google Earth here? We need them for
> something thats called MMOX. We should give them time to speak up.
>
> BTW: we are building a virtual world based on XMPP chat rooms. There
> are more, like IMVU, which use chat protocols for their virtual
> worlds. The chat room is what you would call a region domain.
>
> This is quite a different angle, but an interesting one, because the
> transport protocol is very simple and has few extensions.The
> extensions carry the 3D stuff. An interesting feature of worlds which
> are based on chat protocols is, that there is low in-band traffic. The
> reason is, that off the shelf chat servers are not build for heavy
> traffic. So, only notifications are transferrred in the chat protocol.
> Assets use a separate data access protocol, usually HTTP.
>
> This simplistic view of people who use chat protocols for virtual
> worlds could be useful in identifying "what you really need" for a VW
> interop protocol.
>
> hw
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