Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario
Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com> Fri, 13 March 2009 11:50 UTC
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From: Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com>
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Subject: Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario
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On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Rob Lanphier <robla@lindenlab.com> wrote: > > Yes, one can assume client A can talk to servers B and C if we actually go > about the work of defining a standard client-server protocol spelling out > how the client is expected to behave in that transaction. > > > That sounds very reasonable to me Rob. It is after all the job of protocol makers to define means of machine interaction for pathways that may not have existed before. I would go further and say that this is even compatible with Jon's models, given a willingness to be flexible. Current OLIVE clients may not be able to talk to other systems, but this is no bar to new clients of OLIVE being able to do so. In particular, the open source community is very good at capturing existing network protocols and building them into new libraries and applications, so an OLIVE client that works with more than just OLIVE could certainly be envisaged. All it would take is one open source developer who also uses OLIVE to feel the need and be willing to scratch it. Whether the OLIVE organization would allow this or not is immaterial to us here --- we are in the business of defining mechanisms, not policies. And there are other solutions as well. Nothing precludes OLIVE servers from performing the role of a client in an OGP endpoint. Some detailed analysis of inbuilt assumptions would be required to be sure that this can work, but in principle an OLIVE (or LESS) server could obtain all the necessary data in this way from which to build a local simulation for its clients. Morgaine. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Rob Lanphier <robla@lindenlab.com> wrote: > On 3/12/09 9:13 AM, Jon Watte wrote: > > For example, the assumption that client A can even talk to servers B > > and C seems to be totally implicit, but can't be assumed in the > > general world. > > Yes, one can assume client A can talk to servers B and C if we actually > go about the work of defining a standard client-server protocol spelling > out how the client is expected to behave in that transaction. > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > mmox mailing list > mmox@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmox >
- [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Rob Lanphier
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Ann Otoole
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Ann Otoole
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Mystical Demina
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Bill Humphries
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario David W Levine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- [mmox] My reading of draft-lentczner-ogp-base-00 Latha Serevi
- Re: [mmox] My reading of draft-lentczner-ogp-base… Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario eh2th-mmox
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Mystical Demina
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Ann Otoole
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario eh2th-mmox
- [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the Gener… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Mystical Demina
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Kajikawa Jeremy
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Kajikawa Jeremy
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Frisby, Adam
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Mark Lentczner
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Christian Scholz