Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns

Rob Lanphier <robla@lindenlab.com> Thu, 02 April 2009 07:39 UTC

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On 04/02/2009 12:00 AM, Jason Giglio wrote
> My suggestion is that it's not appropriate to talk about client
> identity, trust, or authentication as a service to be provided in a
> centralized manner.
>
> The rest of the Internet gets along just fine without it.  Sure I can
> get a CA to sign something that says I am who I am, but no one much
> cares; the rest of the net has routed around the problem of client
> identification. I'm not sure why we would need to tackle something so
> fundamentally difficult here, when it's not really necessary.
>   

The cost of building an online identity in a virtual world is much
higher than the cost of building an online identity for purposes of most
web applications.

That said, there's no reason to believe that this group can't come up
with modes of operation for OGP such that a web-like identity-free case
is possible.

Rob