Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the Generic Client model
Jon Watte <jwatte@gmail.com> Mon, 16 March 2009 15:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the Generic Client model
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Morgaine wrote: > The goal is simply to get us beyond the current pro-client/anti-client > discussion, which like almost all polarized pro/anti discussions, is > rarely constructive. The reason we ended up here was because I said OGP will not be widely adopted outside the Second Life / OpenSim sphere, because it requires significant engineering in the client/server connection to achieve any kind of interop through OGP, for any kind of cross-technology interop. In the OGP model, currently, if Open Sim wants to connect to OLIVE, they need to implement the OLIVE protocol. If OLIVE wants to connect to Metaverse, they need to implement the Metaverse protocol. I consider that broken. You suggest that this problem will be solved by engineering a standard client/server protocol. I point at the history of synchronous interactive online systems (note: web is not synchronous, and hardly interactive), and say that I don't believe such a standard is feasible (politically or technically). Thus, I believe that an "interop" protocol that requires all technology clients to be able to talk to all other technology clients to not actually deliver feasible interop (nevermind that it doesn't solve the world mash-up problem). While there may be, in your words, "generic" clients within a specific technology domain, that doesn't mean much for cross-technology interop. Note: because words seem to be mis-understood, in the above comments, when I say "technology," I mean "virtual world platform DNA" -- Multiverse is a technology; OLIVE is a technology, Second Life is a technology, Unreal 3 is a technology. When it comes to client/server, interop between different worlds using the same technology is easy (at least if the technology makes it so); it's interop between different technologies that needs standardization to happen. Sincerely, jw
- [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Rob Lanphier
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Ann Otoole
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Ann Otoole
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Mystical Demina
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Bill Humphries
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario David W Levine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- [mmox] My reading of draft-lentczner-ogp-base-00 Latha Serevi
- Re: [mmox] My reading of draft-lentczner-ogp-base… Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario eh2th-mmox
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Mystical Demina
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Ann Otoole
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario eh2th-mmox
- [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the Gener… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Mystical Demina
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Kajikawa Jeremy
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Kajikawa Jeremy
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Frisby, Adam
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Mark Lentczner
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] 3-world OGP interop scenario Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] One more time: The LESS model vs the G… Christian Scholz