Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification
Christian Scholz <cs@comlounge.net> Mon, 06 July 2009 21:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification
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Jon Watte schrieb: > Mike Dickson wrote: >> I'm not at all convinced that your DNS example is a non-problem. >> Companies merge all the time and how name spaces migrate or merge is a >> real problem. > > My question to you is: Do you think that it is a technical problem to > keep a DNS domain alive, if there were an incentive to do so? My > assertion is that it isn't. Thus, if you structure your URL well > (typically use a custom DNS for all your asset URLs) then they can > survive for as long as you want them to. > > http://assets.jonwattesvirtualworldserver.net/uuid/abf3-dd4c-baadf00d-123456789abcdef0 I think here there is also the general topic of data portability which is important. If I own some stuff I might want to take it with me which might mean to change URLs. As long as an asset is always copied into a context IMHO there shouldn't be a problem with URLs. Now it is a policy decision if you always copy it or just use it by reference (which IMHO makes no difference in non-copyability btw) but if you use the latter you already have that problem on the web today. On social networks though more stuff seems to be copied (or actually re-uploaded all the time) so even if the first place you put it goes down the others still have it (and you yourself should be able to copy your own stuff around as you wish to anyway). > Assuming I want to pay the $10/year for > "jonwattesvirtualworldserver.net" then this will survive forever. > > Admittedly, my main concern with the handle system is not technical, but > the fact that it costs $100 to get started, and then $50/year, which is > 5x-10x more than it costs with a DNS based solution (both solutions need > additional web hosting, too). I agree here. As long as this is not a free service it won't get traction and we actually see this with XRI. Besides that you'd need to explain all this to people and too many levels of indirection are not too easy to understand in general. The question IMHO is if we need to care today if they will be popular tomorrow as long they are URIs. Then it should be easily replaceable without even changing any specs. -- Christian -- COM.lounge GmbH http://comlounge.net Hanbrucher Strasse 33, 52064 Aachen Amtsgericht Aachen HRB 15170 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Ben Scheffler, Christian Scholz email: info@comlounge.net fon: +49-241-4007300 fax: +49-241-97900850 personal email: cs@comlounge.net personal blog: http://mrtopf.de/blog personal podcasts: http://openweb-podcast.de, http://datawithoutborders.net
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- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Mike Dickson
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- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Tommi Laukkanen
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Mike Dickson
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Dave CROCKER
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Mike Dickson
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Mike Dickson
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Dave CROCKER
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Tommi Laukkanen
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Mike Dickson
- Re: [mmox] Global Object Identification Tommi Laukkanen