Re: [MMUSIC] I sent this long ago ….

"Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com> Wed, 26 December 2012 17:50 UTC

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From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com>
To: Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca>, mmusic WG <mmusic@ietf.org>
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Yes, I can see you sent the original on Dec 8. It is captured in the archives correctly as having been sent only once and on Dec 8. The resending on Dec 23 is not shown in the archive. The same is true for a message Magnus sent on Dec 12 that was resent on the 23rd as well. 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmusic/current/maillist.html

When I replied to Magnus's e-mail on Dec 14, it went out to the list correctly; however, I did receive an error report a few days later saying "Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon@sessmg10.ericsson.net>" was unable to send the message to Magnus's address.

I have attached that e-mail in case it is useful in troubleshooting this issue.

Cheers,
Charles


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of Cullen Jennings
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 6:18 AM
> To: mmusic WG
> Subject: [MMUSIC] I sent this long ago ….
> 
> 
> seems there is something wrong with mailing list…
> 
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> 	This is the mail system at host ietfa.amsl.com.
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> 	From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" <fluffy@cisco.com>
> 
> 	Subject: [MMUSIC] SDP work needed for WebRTC stuff
> 
> 	Date: December 8, 2012 3:41:49 PM MST
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> 	To: mmusic WG <mmusic@ietf.org>
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> 
> 
> 
> 	I was looking over everything that needs to be completed to finish a
> fist cut of the WebRTC related work. There are a handful of big SDP
> problems that are currently blocking some of the WebRTC work and I'd like
> to figure out how to make some progress on them.
> 
> 	Let me loosely characterize them as
> 
> 	1) If we have several video streams, how do theses map up to 1 or
> more m lines.
> 
> 	2) if we are doing port multiplexing, what does the SDP look like
> (the bundle problem)
> 
> 	3) How do we map the RTCWeb track and stream label concepts to
> identifiers in SDP
> 
> 	3) SDP for application running over SCTP/DTLS
> 
> 	I don't want to speak for all the various chairs but I am under the
> impression that most of chairs of related groups in W3C and IETF believe
> these are issues that need to be resolved primarily in the MMUSIC WG and
> that they impact both WebRTC and CLUE as well as the general long term
> use of SDP in SIP and other protocols.
> 
> 	I'd like to get some discussion going on how we can make some
> progress on these. I don't think we are going to solve these in 20 minutes of
> discussion at an IETF meeting so I think we probably need some interim
> (virtual or face to face) to sort this out.
> 
> 	Thoughts?
> 
> 	Cullen <in my individual contributor role>
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