Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE
Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Wed, 27 January 2021 18:58 UTC
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:58:22 -0800
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 1:19 AM Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > > > >I think we need to split the problem into three parts: > > >a) what should JSEP endpoints put into initial offers, when in max-bundle > mode? > > >b) what should JSEP endpoints put into initial offers, when in balanced > mode? > > > > Whatever JSEP says they should. There is no specification bug or > specification misalignment etc that would require us to change that. > The current charter text points out the issue here, and I think it's important that that text be maintained. As I've said, we need to take into account what existing applications expect, or else we have specs that can't be implemented. > > >c) what should all endpoints do in answers and re-offers (regardless of > mode)? > > > > Correct. That is the question we need to answer in order to fix the > specification misalignment. > > > > … > > > > >c) may actually be the most significant decisioni, since it changes the > behavior for just about every existing app (i.e., offerers will now start > getting zero ports in their answers, regardless of mode). So I think we > really > > >just have to decide if there is a technical reason to prefer the BUNDLE > behavior over the JSEP behavior, given the risks of such a change. > > > > As I have said in off-list discussions, I am not religious regarding how > we fix the JSEP/BUNDLE misalignment issue. As it covers a case when BUNDLE > has been negotiated, we don’t need to consider backward compatibility with > non-JSEP/BUNDLE endpoints. > We certainly have to consider backward compatibility with JSEP endpoints that don't expect to receive port zero in answers. If there's not a strong argument in favor of this new behavior, the simplest path would be to revert BUNDLE to the v40 (same as JSEP) behavior. > >
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti