Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: Semantics of same port in multiple m- lines

Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Sat, 30 January 2021 22:31 UTC

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From: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:31:11 -0800
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: Semantics of same port in multiple m- lines
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On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 11:21 AM Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg=
40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> >>> One other thing I would like to point out, that if you are dealing
> with an end-point that does not support BUNDLE, for the m= lines where the
> port is set to zero, you would often get something that will copy
> >>> all the RTP attributes to the answer from the offer, including the
> a=bundle-only attribute. Of course, you should not get the session-wide
> "a=group:BUNDLE" and would be able to detect that the m= line was
> >>> rejected that way.
> >>>
> >>> If the remote endpoint does not support the grouping framework, your
> actual mileage with the "a=group:BUNDLE" line may wary. There was never an
> explicit requirement that unsupported attributes must not be copied
> >>> from the offer to the answer. RFC 4566 and RFC 8866 only say that the
> parser must ignore such attributes. Because of this, some endpoints will
> copy all unknown attributes to the answer, including a=group. Of course,
> anything
> >>> that supports RFC 5888 will not do this.
> >>
> >> Correct.
> >>
> >> However, endpoints copying SDP attributes they don't understand can in
> general cause all kind of issues. It is not a problem unique to the
> grouping framework, or to  BUNDLE, or to m- lines with port zero.
> >>
> >> But, at least there is standardized semantics of the meaning of port
> zero.
> >
> > Does the BUNDLE doc talk about what to do in this case, I.e., use of
> bundle-only in m= sections that are not part of an a=group:BUNDLE group? I
> think this is mostly separate from the issue at hand, but this seems like
> something endpoints should be robust against.
>
> bundle-only outside a bundle group is unspecified.
>
>    "The usage of the 'bundle-only' attribute is only defined for a
>    bundled "m=" section with a zero port value.  Other usage is
>    unspecified."
>
> (Section 6 of BUNDLE)
>

Thank you for finding that section. If bundle-unaware entities do in fact
copy attributes to the offer, I think it would be useful to amend this text
to say that a=bundle-only must be ignored for any sections that are not in
a bundle group, so that these sections can be properly rejected.