Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE?
Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> Mon, 10 June 2013 03:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE?
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On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:07 AM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > On 6/8/13 12:11 AM, Cullen Jennings wrote: >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 11:42 PM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote: >> >>> And then can't we demand that to support BUNDLE you must also support PRACK? >> >> I think you will find the people that have not implemented PRACK still don't want to implement PRACK. I know there is no way I would want to mandate the complexity of PRACK just to do bundle. > > They are willing to implement BUNDLE, and probably ICE and DTLS/SRTP, and perhaps RTCWEB, but they find PRACK undesirable to implement??? > > I have no sympathy! > Its time to join the 21st century. The other point of of vies is that PRACK is very complicated, has had many interoperable issues, and for many deployments, unnecessary, we should join the 21 century and deprecate it. Now you are unlikely to chance your opinion, I am unlikely to change mine, and there are many people in both camps. I will note a huge percentage of SIP equipment does not support it or has an implantation that does not meet the requirements of the RFC - particularly in the many unspecified corner cases. I will also note that this discussion if not new. There is a reason PRACK is an extension to SIP and not part of 3261. It's optional - and lots of people don't need or want the option. My proposed way to move forward is that we admit there are large use bases in both camps and make sure we can do something that works for both theses camps. So far we have managed to do that just fine.
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- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Bernard Aboba
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Bernard Aboba
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Bernard Aboba
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Bernard Aboba
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Bernard Aboba
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Cullen Jennings
- Re: [MMUSIC] Scope of RTP payload types in BUNDLE? Paul Kyzivat