Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: Semantics of same port in multiple m- lines
Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Sat, 30 January 2021 18:33 UTC
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From: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: Semantics of same
port in multiple m- lines
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On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:03 AM Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg= 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Hi Roman, > > >One other thing I would like to point out, that if you are dealing with > an end-point that does not support BUNDLE, for the m= lines where the port > is set to zero, you would often get something that will copy > >all the RTP attributes to the answer from the offer, including the > a=bundle-only attribute. Of course, you should not get the session-wide > "a=group:BUNDLE" and would be able to detect that the m= line was > >rejected that way. > > > >If the remote endpoint does not support the grouping framework, your > actual mileage with the "a=group:BUNDLE" line may wary. There was never an > explicit requirement that unsupported attributes must not be copied > >from the offer to the answer. RFC 4566 and RFC 8866 only say that the > parser must ignore such attributes. Because of this, some endpoints will > copy all unknown attributes to the answer, including a=group. Of course, > anything > >that supports RFC 5888 will not do this. > > Correct. > > However, endpoints copying SDP attributes they don't understand can in > general cause all kind of issues. It is not a problem unique to the > grouping framework, or to BUNDLE, or to m- lines with port zero. > > But, at least there is standardized semantics of the meaning of port zero. Does the BUNDLE doc talk about what to do in this case, I.e., use of bundle-only in m= sections that are not part of an a=group:BUNDLE group? I think this is mostly separate from the issue at hand, but this seems like something endpoints should be robust against.
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE: S… Christer Holmberg