Re: [MMUSIC] MMUSIC WG June 17th virtual interim agenda

Flemming Andreasen <fandreas@cisco.com> Fri, 14 June 2013 20:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] MMUSIC WG June 17th virtual interim agenda
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Hi Emil

Per some of the previous discussion threads (see e.g. 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmusic/current/msg11019.html), 
there is clearly some ambiguity around exactly what an m-line conveys, 
both with and without bundle. This lack of clarity potentially affects 
all of the different plan proposals as well as as 4566bis, and as such 
is an entirely reasonable discussion to have in MMUSIC. To the extent 
that resolution of this impacts progress on the Plan A versus Plan B 
discussion, it is also an appropropriate discussion to have next week.

What is not appropriate at this time however is to turn that into a 
discussion of choosing "no plan" for RTCWeb since MMUSIC cannot (and 
should not) make that decision (as clarified by the RTCWeb chairs as well).

Thanks

-- Flemming


On 6/14/13 3:33 PM, Emil Ivov wrote:
>
>
> On 14.06.13, 21:10, Ari Keränen wrote:
>> On 6/14/13 10:02 PM, Emil Ivov wrote:
>>> On 14.06.13, 20:20, Ari Keränen wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Given the guidance from the RTCWEB WG chairs that the "no-plan"
>>>> discussion should essentially happen at the RTCWEB WG, the MMUSIC
>>>> interim meeting on June 17th will be focused on Plan A and Plan B.
>>>
>>> I assume this implies that MMUSIC considers it entirely appropriate to
>>> use SDP for signalling multiple streams the way No Plan suggests (i.e.
>>> one m= line can carry as many RTP flows as it likes). So much so, that
>>> no further discussion is necessary on the subject.
>>>
>>> Could you please confirm that I am reading this properly?
>>
>> This means that the interim time should be used mainly to discuss plan A
>> vs plan B merits, not whether RTCWEB should use A/B, or no-plan.
>
> Sure. I get this and I find it very reasonable.
>
> However, just as Plans A and B, No Plan says: here's an SDP that you 
> can use when doing multiple streams.
>
> So, I just want to confirm that we will not be discussing the SDP 
> sides of the proposal in No Plan because they make perfect sense from 
> an MMUSIC point of view and no discussion is really necessary. It'll 
> be up to other working groups to decide whether they'd like to use 
> that particular (and valid) approach.
>
> Emil
>
>