Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE
Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Sat, 30 January 2021 22:35 UTC
Return-Path: <juberti@google.com>
X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451EB3A11F7
for <mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:35:55 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -17.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5
tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1,
DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1,
ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001,
SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5,
USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key)
header.d=google.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44])
by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
with ESMTP id iqYnhUvuyJFT for <mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com>;
Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:35:53 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-yb1-xb29.google.com (mail-yb1-xb29.google.com
[IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b29])
(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))
(No client certificate requested)
by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 889DE3A11F3
for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:35:53 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-yb1-xb29.google.com with SMTP id m76so6133312ybf.0
for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:35:53 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025;
h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to
:cc; bh=e8gL89h5agGzuduYr0ym1nvuAkzjnrRkQ6/LL2YFBBQ=;
b=iw9d5K4zSTPmxRpZ2Df9i8TrfFsV1gURea+g8UD13Vqu33OrtlgTgFpMVYPKPOz7gR
ElXRpAbLxBLt6p1Wd7gD+DU+4dwMrc/M4yvv+0Zp4XRg73u9FO4lX/MRe8HZv7tOt2Rr
8QD0QtLSOQn85rtN9uXWev5WnNZRAD380BWg+AUHYFWMurBSU4bW20CTVcsn0gHGKYzL
DEIv90+9UGw4+q1DyD/hmj6EfLaJo/Prel26pj9Tm74pLQzMEn6fNY8MTviktns5q5db
nZ+104Vrv03Y7sb7w7VSxnhXEYcSKp10jbTwHlaeIuIXuxP5PoRkZ1rE7bGZRjY0hTUO
LG3Q==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date
:message-id:subject:to:cc;
bh=e8gL89h5agGzuduYr0ym1nvuAkzjnrRkQ6/LL2YFBBQ=;
b=CwQFPdUEf3Cv+URDDfvuFwUHWoiyrkysszwRl9bB65SKXHq7qreFdJVAoGn/IZTcN/
hJ2zC6jVQ4jDN+k/t2De+m24ojIVqZP2qocWYbh7p2Qx4jOX+H1w+rqSvEqClHeX1vMx
OMvyxBTe6yyRvOsmOrv0ejAOoOdm+j4ODRq7GnllpxS0ygxY6IdG8qJGM3GmvWLJcrBs
HdHeLyehYU4X6/GF4kXF9es5tTsls+5e2GPqL5TO1IUjkjf1kPxW0G9qUN8Q0La06tO1
TR1ZUlB38k9Y6KCI8+tvU2XUybUO9c8ZdfTjIw8THZDRa85muP5gXYB3AF7taT4/1+0u
ktHg==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533mMKlOflt4CJjsI1lfC1eMWE3E2v70BZ08a9O2D1TVWLrYcQ7C
G4T/401/kz/DZ2dpS/miDwq9YFGB7b0Hn0BK3g7rug==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzU27aSt6b0aHEz2wJHyL4DomuxZlmBbN0eVAplGVc3I2BKTVD8JseJgWYiCB/riXkxZOIC5IEwfkYGHPjkmms=
X-Received: by 2002:a25:3858:: with SMTP id f85mr15158499yba.125.1612046152420;
Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:35:52 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <CAL0qLwYeg6_HdjVuLCdhPxtaNH4_vnE_r4Lr1p=s8uiTAu+hdQ@mail.gmail.com>
<3259d26b0df271445895d17c73fdf60d94209c52.camel@ericsson.com>
<61b30cc5-d56a-f83b-0faf-0df8b07aea0f@alvestrand.no>
<f12469ff29408168c98124c46348804b5cbd86d2.camel@ericsson.com>
<CAL0qLwakSYdoVm9fhMWuC9bM8tjUkLku4mM5Q4XgdGm2T9uevw@mail.gmail.com>
<AM0PR07MB386064B544F18A38FD900EF593BC0@AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
<CAL0qLwbS+6sN3FQVbJ3xsp2qxTGiBTbunTUvHXrT-nq+yiEaHA@mail.gmail.com>
<CAD5OKxvDdLF8LbeUTxscKkYu7XVE8eg5eRMqg_TCeX73sVAKGg@mail.gmail.com>
<CAOJ7v-1Cspakz79MHX2dEH9q+YGuWokUtzHTR4p1v=hvQmDHrw@mail.gmail.com>
<AM0PR07MB3860F7E33547BE613D1ED9BE93BB0@AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
<CAOJ7v-32i0xRuMVFmU4ioaVovh4JMyvXxy8a9MxUwMDz=ECwxQ@mail.gmail.com>
<AM0PR07MB38603F2A77ABDE5BC4CEA4C493BB0@AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
<CAOJ7v-3JPydV9SYkVxmari=hQ=TkFGn5_ox2w_oXb88RO_EXJQ@mail.gmail.com>
<AM0PR07MB386077DF129D22FFD144914D93BA9@AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
<CAOJ7v-05Fcew9f5Ti57dh_hOJqzhuPKnVgMsM4P3oTgJd1Q6Xg@mail.gmail.com>
<AM0PR07MB38609D1FB2750749F95E3AF693BA9@AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
<CAOJ7v-0qLdjqdzGV7LKOy6o0Se0Rp2BgB9Zto+qkw-aovdBhZQ@mail.gmail.com>
<AM0PR07MB386067A2D1B4B5E8BCA4072F93BA9@AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
<CAOJ7v-3_7Oz=LpU3brMhX1fPEyKp_5dWGQXTCJvMMco-bxe-pA@mail.gmail.com>
<AM0PR07MB3860223A668EB77C7B01F21293BA9@AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
<CAOJ7v-1RyahfRTV8NVnf=Z_13TO4HxaZ1VQyH-WbaTjk+1uvkg@mail.gmail.com>
<AM0PR07MB38603C92362FB176F887DD7593B89@AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR07MB38603C92362FB176F887DD7593B89@AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
From: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:35:40 -0800
Message-ID: <CAOJ7v-0CoM97_mcQ-KrVkJ99_a2dtMK1NJz6UKb+qneO6y4eZg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
Cc: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>,
"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>,
Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>,
"mmusic@ietf.org" <mmusic@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004737ad05ba25be53"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/mmusic/Lzl-YjP3HNnz8fWICNpZDfrG9Ag>
Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE
X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group <mmusic.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/mmusic>,
<mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/mmusic/>
List-Post: <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic>,
<mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 22:35:55 -0000
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 1:28 PM Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi, > > ... > > >> If I remember correctly, there was a suggestion to keep the existing > port zero + bundle-only procedure in JSEP, but define a NEW policy for it. > Then, once the new policy gets implemented, it can be used. > > > > Yes. I had suggested that, and still think that could be a path forward. > But we should first see what the aforementioned data says to understand the > extent of the need for such a policy. > > We have been talking mostly about 'max-bundle'. But as far as I understand > (and you also mentioned it earlier in the thread) we have the same issue > with 'balanced', if the offer contains more than one m- line for the same > media type. Or? > > You are correct, but the scope of this issue is believed to be far smaller, given the slow adoption of unified plan (which is required for multiple m= lines of the same type). IOW, we may choose a different solution here than in the max-bundle case. We should have data to allow us to draw a clearer conclusion on this in the next few weeks.
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Roman Shpount
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Updating JSEP and BUNDLE Justin Uberti