Re: [MMUSIC] SCTP question: Where does it multiplex?

Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Thu, 06 December 2012 13:02 UTC

Return-Path: <harald@alvestrand.no>
X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718BB21F8626 for <mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 05:02:43 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -110.449
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0kT5vvkPXIxs for <mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 05:02:43 -0800 (PST)
Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D228421F874D for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 05:02:42 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7AC39E27D for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:02:41 +0100 (CET)
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no
Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cLrjxKo10OH2 for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:02:40 +0100 (CET)
Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:de0a:27:a184:710a:187:1564] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:de0a:27:a184:710a:187:1564]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 709B139E235 for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:02:40 +0100 (CET)
Message-ID: <50C0976F.5020907@alvestrand.no>
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:02:39 +0100
From: Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: mmusic@ietf.org
References: <5093A2C9.9040001@alvestrand.no> <50B9E3ED.6010604@ericsson.com> <50BA19F9.4040701@alvestrand.no> <50BA47E8.4010909@alum.mit.edu> <50BC5A81.6050503@alvestrand.no> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B04CC3A@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <50BC5E80.4090006@alvestrand.no> <E44893DD4E290745BB608EB23FDDB76231FA24@008-AM1MPN1-042.mgdnok.nokia.com> <50BC8969.6010101@alvestrand.no> <50BD07FC.30809@alum.mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <50BD07FC.30809@alum.mit.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] SCTP question: Where does it multiplex?
X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group <mmusic.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/mmusic>, <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmusic>
List-Post: <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic>, <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:02:43 -0000

On 12/03/2012 09:13 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> On 12/3/12 6:13 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
>> On 12/03/2012 10:02 AM, Markus.Isomaki@nokia.com wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I agree that it would be useful to be able to run data channel on the
>>> same 5-tuple as RTP/RTCP, and even making it the default and
>>> must-implement way for the browsers.
>>>
>>> QoS/prioritization comes to mind as the only potential drawback. The
>>> endpoint can naturally still give different priorities to the
>>> different components (audio, video, "data") it is sending. I assume
>>> SCTP also has TCP-style receiver window that can be used to throttle
>>> reception if needed. And presumably RMCAT will find solutions to
>>> congestion control in genenral. But from the network perspective there
>>> is only one flow, and the only(?) way to differentiate the components
>>> is to use DSCP. I don't think our QoS (or API) draft yet clearly
>>> explains how DSCP's are learned and set, or whether that is even going
>>> to be a realistic solution.
>>
>> That is indeed the only reason I can think of to specify multiple
>> m-lines for DTLS/SCTP (and we don't need to bundle them together).
>>
>> At the moment, the MMUSIC API doesn't define a way to control which
>> m-line a DTLS assocation gets mapped onto.
>
> MMUSIC *API*???

Sorry, I was writing at a non-awake time.
I meant the WebRTC API (Javascript, specified in the W3C WG).

I