Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft - MIME type value
Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Fri, 18 October 2013 21:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft - MIME type value
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On 10/18/13 15:53, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > On 10/18/13 4:44 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote: > >>> At some point, we have to come to peace with the fact that any >>> middleboxes that aren't primarily in the business of stifling >>> progress will need to keep pace with protocol extensions as they get >>> deployed. >> >> I really wish things worked that way :) > > So progress ends because middleboxes don't permit it? > > Maybe you are right. Then sip will go the way of h323 while the world > moves on to webrtc. That only happens if we don't allow the behavior of deployed SIP middleboxes decimate WebRTC's capabilities. So far, we've done a really bad job at preventing this. Certain parties have been taking the SIP SBC albatross and trying really hard to hang it on RTCWEB's neck. If we're serious about being able to do anything new, we need to push back. /a
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Adam Roach
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Adam Roach
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Adam Roach
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Adam Roach
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Adam Roach
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Ravindran, Parthasarathi (NSN - IN/Bangalore)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Suhas Nandakumar
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Adam Roach
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Adam Roach
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Adam Roach
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] Partial Offer/Partial Answer draft -… Christer Holmberg