Re: [MMUSIC] Possible BUNDLE alternative syntax: explicit m-line for bundled session

I agree with Cullen & others that m=bundle does not have consensus. We need
more discussion and analysis. The current Bundle syntax is designed in a way

to reuse lot of existing SDP mechanism (Syntax & Semantics). If possible,
let 
us try to fix the open issue with the current mechanism before proceeding 
with m=bundle approach.

Thanks
Partha

-----Original Message-----
From: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Lishitao
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 7:21 AM
To: Christer Holmberg; Ejzak, Richard P (Richard); mmusic@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Possible BUNDLE alternative syntax: explicit m-line
for bundled session

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of Christer Holmberg
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:32 AM
> To: Ejzak, Richard P (Richard); mmusic@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Possible BUNDLE alternative syntax: explicit m-line
for
> bundled session
> 
> Hi,
> 
> >>> m=bundle requires significant extensions to the syntax and also a near
> >>> doubling in the size of the SDP.  It is harder to specify allowed
> >>> combinations of codecs and other options that are normally associated
> >>> with a single m line.
> >>
> >> Please give an example.
> >
> > To specify two types of audio flows with very different characteristics
I would
> normally have separate media lines with separate codec lists and
attributes.
> One may require DTMF and the other silence suppression in addition to the
> selected (but different)
> > codecs.  We need to keep this characteristic.  We also need a way of
> specifying bandwidth per (old) media line, which is already supported
using
> separate media lines but requires that something new be defined for
m=bundle.
> What about RTCP
> > characteristics?  We certainly want to specify them per (old) media
line.
> >
> > I understand that this can be done with m=bundle, but it requires new
syntax.
> Why bother if we have something that can work?
> 
> I am not sure it requires new syntax, if you e.g. can use the ssrc
attribute in
> order to map attributes to specific flows.

I would suggest that put the m=bundle proposal in a separate new personal
draft or in the annex of the existing working draft, and 
make a comparison for this proposal and the existing proposal. That will
make it more clear.
For the existing proposal, I believe that people are not totally against,
although it has some issues. (the m=bundle proposal also has some issues).

Regards
shitao

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