Re: [MMUSIC] Merging ICE aggressive and regular nomination (was Re: [tram] Comment on draft-williams-peer-redirect-01: might it not converge?)

Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> Sun, 03 August 2014 13:43 UTC

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From: Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Merging ICE aggressive and regular nomination (was Re: [tram] Comment on draft-williams-peer-redirect-01: might it not converge?)
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The one that's currently being discussed on this list, where there won't be
an explicit aggressive nomination mode and regular nomination would
(really) allow for media to be exchanged before it completes (which it
supposedly does already although it's a bit unclear on the matter)

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On 03 Aug 2014 1:21 PM, "Iñaki Baz Castillo" <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

> 2014-08-03 0:29 GMT+02:00 Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org>rg>:
> > Well, that is exactly the case we set out to resolve for aggressive
> > nomination before we decided to have ourselves a new version of ICE :-).
> >
> > If I understand correctly though, with the new ICE version (the one where
> > regular is the new aggressive) you should be prepared to handle this case
> > until you get a USE-CANDIDATE. From then on this would be your only pair.
>
> Hi, which "new ICE version (the one where regular is the new
> aggressive)" do you mean? I'm lost. draft-rfc5245bis does not change
> that at all:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc5245bis-02#section-8.1.1
>
> Do I miss something? Sure I do :)
>
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> --
> Iñaki Baz Castillo
> <ibc@aliax.net>
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