Re: [MMUSIC] WGLC on draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc8843bis-00

Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> Fri, 18 June 2021 16:28 UTC

Return-Path: <roman@telurix.com>
X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1BE3A1893 for <mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:28:21 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.098
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=telurix.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w_OI4sRRpuBu for <mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:28:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-qk1-x72d.google.com (mail-qk1-x72d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B03A3A1892 for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:28:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-qk1-x72d.google.com with SMTP id q64so5980247qke.7 for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:28:16 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telurix.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=c/SZlP/Yv520ZnvUGK1tFIoHwdYpiclnxAL56CrvPcU=; b=TN8TgAFaLimpbb+YZqtjrjBJanhzOQbxLT3Nss/BA3Jr0nLImdqSt25ZM95svBRj8N DzxLCMT0vG9HeY53kYjEDesZuux9pYfQAvMpE0jD9mtR/XG5Ygo1t9A74spQGBp9K9Qx 6rOaSsEX+bupjGpoWiLiExsVjD7n9viMUiNU0=
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=c/SZlP/Yv520ZnvUGK1tFIoHwdYpiclnxAL56CrvPcU=; b=FOPUcnK7cN8qZvXKSmQMQckbnJL0ToBFjXP/DC8fbghgZ9Jc35+opnUIWhlndcXIym HuxYP7rgqKBVp5KVZVqsBdKQiCF2HYzwzrPACEHTDb+7mplXsG9UmA7Qs4kuH4S8tSaC oYzRbVrYaCtCh+DqrTh28Zqt/DIQYfdhYzbbrDQcaNJcJU/ZozjJdE1L74NBeEou72k/ VdWw9dSOmTX9tv4ke4Ao5TBMq2lKKuq3v/5EIteJTTcYLNzLm/Xhy+7JAtR1+EdGyKC3 FW77bdZ/yjvyqDkBCtTdye2nbEynJB1JqC3JToH38F48buSFOnci9hCm+TZy0TpTpS9A o5Wg==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530SRkb90PkQBhAsltwNKY9Zx2wKU4CuEPTsXSigHCsimkyXy6IP BL1B1u8Fbx6o/BQJApV7bMfXJzQXHcxpUw==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxQaaJYiEdAWRIhS9YmqCbemaYTarcYKMC83l3xogB98Go5MSG4X0QwIQijYQ845VMr0QlRXQ==
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:1026:: with SMTP id a6mr9849756qkk.331.1624033693497; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-qk1-f176.google.com (mail-qk1-f176.google.com. [209.85.222.176]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m189sm4235668qkd.107.2021.06.18.09.28.12 for <mmusic@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-qk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id c138so12327449qkg.5 for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a25:ba06:: with SMTP id t6mr13588112ybg.459.1624033692200; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <43f7a353-d615-723d-ad5e-641bdba11911@cisco.com> <CAD5OKxsKnhZmSG+gig51iXMUT06zovxR-oO1=kJ=WxrT56akdQ@mail.gmail.com> <AM0PR07MB3860087ACF138B359457F0F0930D9@AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> <afc8a351-6617-a8d2-30d0-3b679f7420aa@comcast.net>
In-Reply-To: <afc8a351-6617-a8d2-30d0-3b679f7420aa@comcast.net>
From: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 12:28:00 -0400
X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: <CAD5OKxu2+F7B2OGV1nR9V_iQYEN3aDNcwDasjnAovF=pnZ8KXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD5OKxu2+F7B2OGV1nR9V_iQYEN3aDNcwDasjnAovF=pnZ8KXA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Paul Kyzivat <paul.kyzivat@comcast.net>
Cc: mmusic WG <mmusic@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000053b3f305c50ccfc2"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/mmusic/lSXdmNXC3FB_4kQSwVDseFRf5r0>
Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] WGLC on draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc8843bis-00
X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group <mmusic.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/mmusic>, <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/mmusic/>
List-Post: <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic>, <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 16:28:22 -0000

I was looking for some sort of language or note similar to
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8839#section-7.5. This note should
say that when the endpoint receives a mid-dialog re-INVITE that contains no
offer, it MUST use the rules for generating the initial SDP offers (
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc8843bis-02.html#section-7.2).
In some sense, we are preserving RFC8843 behavior for subsequent offers if
these offers are generated due to a mid-dialog re-INVITE that contains no
offer.

Best Regards,
_____________
Roman Shpount


On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 12:17 PM Paul Kyzivat <paul.kyzivat@comcast.net>
wrote:

> On 6/18/21 2:52 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
> > Hi Roman,
> >
> > Regarding offers for 3PPC, I think sending an initial offer needs to be
> > a generic O/A rule. I don’t think we can have SDP extension-specific
> rules.
>
> I agree this *ought* to be a generic recommendation. But I don't think
> it is. So I think it would be helpful to say it in this document.
>
> Note that this would be a recommendation (MAY). It can't really be
> mandatory, since for an initial offer the offerer has almost complete
> discretion.
>
>         Thanks,
>         Paul
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > Christer
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:40:50 PM
> > *To:* Flemming Andreasen <fandreas=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>rg>;
> Christer
> > Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
> > *Cc:* mmusic <mmusic@ietf.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [MMUSIC] WGLC on draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc8843bis-00
> > Hi Christer,
> >
> > I have reviewed the document and document changes look good in removing
> > the inconsistencies with JSEP.
> >
> > One question that I do have is related to third-party call control and
> > generating offers in response to INVITE with no SDP body. This is not
> > covered anywhere in this document. In order to work correctly thes
> > offers should be constructed the same ways as initial offers with
> > separate addresses and ports allocated for all m= lines which are not
> > bundle-only and port zero and bundle-only attribute set on all the
> > bundle-only m= lines.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > _____________
> > Roman Shpount
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:09 PM Flemming Andreasen
> > <fandreas=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org
> > <mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     Greetings MMUSIC
> >
> >     This is to announce a 2 week WGLC on the draft:
> >
> >     https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc8843bis-00.txt
> >     <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc8843bis-00.txt
> >
> >
> >     as Proposed Standard. Please note that changes in the document are
> >     limited to what was agreed to at IET110 for JSEP alignment plus any
> >     verified erratas. Please review and provide any comments you may
> >     have on the document by Tuesday, June 1, 2021. Comments should be
> >     sent to the document authors and the MMUSIC WG list. If you review
> >     the document but do not have any comments, please send a note to
> >     that effect as well.
> >
> >     Thanks
> >
> >     -- Flemming (MMUSIC co-chair)
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     mmusic mailing list
> >     mmusic@ietf.org <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>
> >     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic
> >     <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mmusic mailing list
> > mmusic@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> mmusic mailing list
> mmusic@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic
>