Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked
Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Thu, 23 May 2013 21:57 UTC
Return-Path: <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACD321F8CB4 for <mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:57:52 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.508
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.909, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lGUVtmzVnaVI for <mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:57:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com (mail-lb0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB0221F8E2C for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:09:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id x10so3961219lbi.35 for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mieWA8ZLYnrTINhPcq6QTJuVRhJfDh8gI0YZaXp6WFU=; b=JAbN/jypsZ8ZV+OIPosW6c0o36f2iaduIMdBqrZa8gdDXxzsx4TZ4cewxvVCiDIbrc 1Ew9V9n+7807zZ5W2bfkQYA7m/wKgK9GAkGrWDZZmXyx1U3MoLZyfs/pdGVkHEEPCdXV /PWbEK2tQmcKIHo0RP9Y47k9l30h8vJV1IfaYa6Jb04q4s7bsFvYZzdvr2aLCDM4ZdBQ It6OQHaQNmM46vJbRR1gI/S65s57o1yAN5KNZe0yduh7tjTKmCSOCw57XTzWextIKeHr A8mEl+11rqbNmL/WsTrvqxif45xvzPBnQkOAYl2ZXIuKwRkwkfFJOfKAq1MHimrxkkWz n35Q==
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.112.190.73 with SMTP id go9mr7435948lbc.43.1369343393847; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.112.235.233 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <519E530C.60705@alum.mit.edu>
References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C374357@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <519A1336.9010001@jitsi.org> <9F33F40F6F2CD847824537F3C4E37DDF1159D127@MCHP04MSX.global-ad.net> <519A229D.7090204@jitsi.org> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C374463@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <519A2768.5010904@alum.mit.edu> <CAPvvaa+A=LkYp9A+wENAABwCYaQcD0HVeX4o+O_16iJRPXZfNw@mail.gmail.com> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C3744DC@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <CAPvvaaJsPNk1DAJXYoc8aUgZ0ZayV_8q84W=Mm7vwuRRGuwC-g@mail.gmail.com> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C374572@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <519A3883.8060006@jitsi.org> <519A3C8F.3040309@alum.mit.edu> <519B343A.30704@jitsi.org> <519BB598.1030909@alum.mit.edu> <519DF0F8.1070407@jitsi.org> <519E530C.60705@alum.mit.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:09:53 -0700
Message-ID: <CABkgnnVhci+5FFDFYKHLASOMdqKWnGE2FgSqgjhjW+ES=fJTBg@mail.gmail.com>
From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
To: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Cc: mmusic <mmusic@ietf.org>, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked
X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group <mmusic.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/mmusic>, <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmusic>
List-Post: <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic>, <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 21:57:52 -0000
The more I think about forking, the more I don't want to think about it any more. On 23 May 2013 10:34, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > * if the bundle is accepted by multiple forks, does this form > one RTP session or several? If the subjective view of the RTP session that the offerer holds is bound to a 5-tuple (as opposed to just local addressing), then this forms multiple sessions. However... Prior to getting answer(s), the offerer might be unable to tell that there are multiple RTP sessions, or if it is just media arriving from multiple source addresses. This would only be a problem in the absence of ICE and with multiple m-lines. > * How does ICE work in this case? (Is that already covered by ICE, > since it mostly isn't specific to bundle? I believe that ICE works in this case. Each RTP session should have a different set of ufrag/pwd for the peer. I know that others have talked about the implications for the ICE state machine for bundle, but that depends on ufrag/pwd. > * If one fork adds/removes an m-line from the bundle, should that > be mirrored to the other forks? I don't see how that has a significant impact. Each fork could choose different bundling configurations. This is not significantly different to other forking cases. The offerer has to be prepared to demux at the session layer first.
- [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - wher… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Martin Thomson
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Kevin Dempsey
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Justin Uberti
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Dale R. Worley
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Suhas Nandakumar
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Martin Thomson
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Martin Thomson
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Dale R. Worley
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Martin Thomson
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Martin Thomson
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Martin Thomson
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Bundle offer with different ports - … Martin Thomson
- Re: [MMUSIC] When a bundle offer is forked Cullen Jennings (fluffy)