Re: [MMUSIC] What should we do with the middleboxes draft (draft-ietf-mmusic-media-path-middleboxes) ?

Flemming Andreasen <fandreas@cisco.com> Wed, 19 June 2013 14:26 UTC

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Cc: Ari Keranen <ari.keranen@ericsson.com>, mmusic <mmusic@ietf.org>, Hadriel Kaplan <HKaplan@acmepacket.com>, draft-ietf-mmusic-media-path-middleboxes@tools.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] What should we do with the middleboxes draft (draft-ietf-mmusic-media-path-middleboxes) ?
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On 6/19/13 8:11 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> Hi Flemming,
> I am still willing to continue and complete this work.
> Gonzalo and I had tried to reach out to Hadriel numerous times to 
> better understand his review remarks but unfortunately without success.
I have seen several e-mails on the MMUSIC list from Hadriel raising 
issues/questions but I haven't seen the follow-ups from the document 
authors to resolve those. Please make sure to use the mailing list.

Thanks

-- Flemming

> Ciao
> Hannes
> PS: Btw, the "significant concerns", as you called them, came from one 
> person, Hadriel.
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 14. Juni 2013 um 00:16 Uhr
> *Von:* "Flemming Andreasen" <fandreas@cisco.com>
> *An:* mmusic <mmusic@ietf.org>
> *Cc:* "Ari Keranen" <ari.keranen@ericsson.com>, "Hadriel Kaplan" 
> <HKaplan@acmepacket.com>, 
> draft-ietf-mmusic-media-path-middleboxes@tools.ietf.org
> *Betreff:* [MMUSIC] What should we do with the middleboxes draft 
> (draft-ietf-mmusic-media-path-middleboxes) ?
> Greetings MMUSIC
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> As noted previously 
> (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmusic/current/msg09368.html), 
> we currently have a milestone for " Considerations for using SDP 
> offer/answer with middleboxes" and we have a WG draft for that in the 
> form of
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> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-media-path-middleboxes/
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> When we polled for interest in this work about 1 year ago (per the 
> above thread), there was some indication of continued interest in the 
> work, however there were also some (significant) concerns expressed 
> with the draft itself (see e.g. most recent thread in 
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmusic/current/msg10163.html). 
> These concerns have existed for well over a year and we have seen very 
> little discussion or active work trying to resolve them.
>
> In lieu of the above, the chairs would like to ask the WG participants to
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> 1) Indicate if you are in favor of continuing this work.
>
> 2) If you are willing to actively contribute to the work by either
> a) Sign on as co-author, drive the open issues to resolution, and 
> update the document accordingly
> b) Actively contribute to discussion and resolution of open issues in 
> the draft.
>
> Please note, that if you answer "yes" to 2a or 2b, then you should 
> assume that you *will* get called upon to deliver on that.
>
> Also please note, that if we do not get sufficient positive responses 
> to both 1 and 2 above, then our plan is to remove the milestone and 
> abandon the WG draft.
>
> Thanks
>
> -- Ari & Flemming (MMUSIC co-chairs)
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