[MMUSIC] Using connectivity check to carry additional candidates [was Re: draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/draft-ivov-mmusic-trickle-ice]
Marc Petit-Huguenin <petithug@acm.org> Fri, 05 April 2013 00:18 UTC
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Subject: [MMUSIC] Using connectivity check to carry additional candidates [was Re: draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/draft-ivov-mmusic-trickle-ice]
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 04/04/2013 12:07 PM, Alan Johnston wrote: > I admit that my first thought was that UPDATE was more appropriate than > INFO. > > But the more I think about it, trickling in new candidates is not > necessarily a part of O/A, rather it can be thought of as communication > between two ICE Agents. For tunneling another protocol using SIP as > transport, INFO is the right choice. > > Not every ICE candidate is signaled in SDP - Peer Reflexive Candidates, for > example. True. But so why not push the idea further, and use an in-band mechanism to send the newly discovered candidates? E.g. the Offerer still sends the full list of candidates but the Answered uses the same path than a successful connectivity check to send its candidates as it discovers them, using a new STUN transaction. The Offerer will add the candidates received in this new transactions more or less in the same way Peer Reflexive Candidates are added, and start connectivity checks in the other direction. The answered will send its answer only when it has collected all the candidates on its side, making it identical to non-trickle ICE. Obviously there is lot of details missing here, but that solution does not require UPDATE or INFO, or a=ice-options:trickle. It's probably not compatible with non-SIP trickle implementations, but perhaps a gateway can convert candidates in the signaling path to and from candidates in the media path. > > And remember ICE has a second O/A exchange that brings the SDP into line > with the chosen candidate pair. > - -- Marc Petit-Huguenin Email: marc@petit-huguenin.org Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/petithug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRXhhmAAoJECnERZXWan7EiuEP/AtJycZvB/8Qi23OBu2Nla+5 SKniH7J139IQy6v2gEoAfDweuwcwYIH2lgX78bQMXNm/1P42zkqwTuvGtFEGej2b Q1ln6VkSnYhujjg2kP1iRntQhcI7wgSWa+w32MkHD1HPtuD1eoyVhSD+XYNGZBBO 1IN69JTzlOw2ygYUWBGS5ni7GyoHnAmAXIK3gDbtHys9ENBt3eI+6+0eTL3Bco+h BfYeG96ubnO2/H9Qbop1/Q8HjygxySWIeUf8m1ZLelnmMU019UeHGdyq2+tuLo8V yzS+3jwptEx9lendnxJUyMv4BLcx1Gx/3TEuyCkRolCef3etjrlTaP6Qmnfvztpe OkHR3WAKMIqRRMXHVqd+9QqQOWAosEL6utXBQzDqtZQmdmY9Qqiu8JOvP8GGNxKo 2uUAKSceguGl5T46/j4zQd1WGMArgg3rPAOPhSy1zl3ycC67S4u0zFNG2KvDWbaF W+xzlTuQMzoHerCQdrTdxWWZCi4ngfEDtSVxAtZxDOiXs8TpwFHX1cEpjDKPMYln /MIbWSjE/ORSB8DU7OMADhsJft3S9RqVxd+ia1cM+rVYp1kDPsD8yE94pkf/kb9s 8EdFOpBpl4gPXLG2o+ffYKSBsolFzl6K/0vHtkLj/2AJCzmd9eDs8m3Xs55JaUy1 KAfPUaz3+CDBE8uCypSs =Ov6n -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/draf… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Alan Johnston
- [MMUSIC] Using connectivity check to carry additi… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Using connectivity check to carry ad… Martin Thomson
- Re: [MMUSIC] Using connectivity check to carry ad… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Emil Ivov
- [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE Dale R. Worley
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/… Stach, Thomas