[MMUSIC] Using connectivity check to carry additional candidates [was Re: draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/draft-ivov-mmusic-trickle-ice]

Marc Petit-Huguenin <petithug@acm.org> Fri, 05 April 2013 00:18 UTC

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Subject: [MMUSIC] Using connectivity check to carry additional candidates [was Re: draft-ivov-dispatch-trickle-ice-sip/draft-ivov-mmusic-trickle-ice]
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On 04/04/2013 12:07 PM, Alan Johnston wrote:
> I admit that my first thought was that UPDATE was more appropriate than
> INFO.
> 
> But the more I think about it, trickling in new candidates is not
> necessarily a part of O/A, rather it can be thought of as communication
> between two ICE Agents. For tunneling another protocol using SIP as
> transport, INFO is the right choice.
> 
> Not every ICE candidate is signaled in SDP - Peer Reflexive Candidates, for
> example.

True.  But so why not push the idea further, and use an in-band mechanism to
send the newly discovered candidates?  E.g. the Offerer still sends the full
list of candidates but the Answered uses the same path than a successful
connectivity check to send its candidates as it discovers them, using a new
STUN transaction.  The Offerer will add the candidates received in this new
transactions more or less in the same way Peer Reflexive Candidates are added,
and start connectivity checks in the other direction. The answered will send
its answer only when it has collected all the candidates on its side, making
it identical to non-trickle ICE.

Obviously there is lot of details missing here, but that solution does not
require UPDATE or INFO, or a=ice-options:trickle.  It's probably not
compatible with non-SIP trickle implementations, but perhaps a gateway can
convert candidates in the signaling path to and from candidates in the media path.

> 
> And remember ICE has a second O/A exchange that brings the SDP into line
> with the chosen candidate pair.
> 

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Marc Petit-Huguenin
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