Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE Weekly Summary: Assumptions

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Mon, 13 May 2013 11:48 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
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Hi,

A few questions, assuming we allow port zero m- lines within a bundle.

Q1:

Is the decision tied to whether we move forward with Plan A or Plan B?


Q2:

Do we allow port zero only for "bundle-only" m- lines, or for m- lines in general?


Q3:

If we allow port zero only for "bundle-only" m- lines, is there a technical need to allow it in SDP answers?


Q4:

We need to keep in mind that there is always a chance that the "top-most" m- line within a bundle group is a port zero one. 


Regards,

Christer



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From: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg
Sent: 13. toukokuuta 2013 10:27
To: Paul Kyzivat; Jonathan Lennox
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE Weekly Summary: Assumptions

Hi,

So, assuming we are going to update RFC 5888 (whatever the exact wording would be), would we do that within draft-bundle, or within a separate document?

Regards,

Christer

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From: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat
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To: Jonathan Lennox
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE Weekly Summary: Assumptions

On 5/10/13 6:44 PM, Jonathan Lennox wrote:

>>>     I struggled to find it too.  It's in 9.2:
>>>
>>>         SIP entities refuse media streams by setting the port to zero in the
>>>         corresponding "m" line. "a=group" lines MUST NOT contain
>>>         identification-tags that correspond to "m" lines with the port
>>>     set to
>>>         zero.
>>>
>>>
>>> This feels like something we could relax for the offer.
>>
>> We could relax it. The question is if the change will break any 
>> existing use. That is a hard question to answer.
>
> We could say that whether it's valid must be defined by the group semantic, and for all existing group semantics it's not.

WFM

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