Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restriction [was: Draft new version: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-bundle-negotiation-05]
Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> Fri, 15 November 2013 15:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restriction [was: Draft new version: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-bundle-negotiation-05]
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On 11/14/13 2:58 PM, Christian Groves wrote: > Hello Paul, > > The problem is that BUNDLE is described in terms of how it relates to IN > addresses not other address types. If the scope is left general the text > and procedures should also be made general to match. I don't think we > want to go down that path. Hmm. I guess you are referring to the definitions of Unique address and BUNDLE address that reference IP address. And maybe 5-tuple and other places that refer to "address". OK. I agree that it may be easier to restrict the scope than to wordsmith these definitions to be more general. Thanks, Paul > Regards, Christian > > On 15/11/2013 5:57 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >> On 11/14/13 9:41 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>>> I don't understand the point of this. >>>> >>>> I'm not aware of any general use of a nettype other than IN, >>> >>> RFC 3108 defines an 'ATM' value. >>> >>> draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs defines a 'PSTN' value. >>> >>>> or an addrtype other than IP4 or IP6, but I also don't see why the >>>> behavior of bundle is dependent upon this. >>> >>> RFC 3109 defines 'NSAP', 'E164' and 'GWID' values. >>> >>> draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs defines an 'E164' value. >>> >>> (Whether the semantics of the two 'E164' values are the same I don't >>> know, but that's a separate issue). >>> >>>> Any other choices that still have a notion of port sufficient to >>>> allow SDP O/A rules to apply should also work with bundle. >>> >>> I see no reason to require an extension in such cases - especially >>> since they are very unlikely to occur. >> >> This is more of a philosophical issue - whether to say as little as >> possible, and allow the scope to be broad, or say extra to narrow the >> scope to the specific case that has motivated the work. >> >> I favor saying nothing about this, and leaving the scope to include >> any network and address type. You are preferring to narrow it. I can >> live with whatever the consensus is. >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Christer >>> >>> >>>> Based on the comments from Christian, I suggest the following new >>>> text for BUNDLE: >>>> >>>> ----------------------------- >>>> >>>> 6.2.2. Connection Data (c=) >>>> >>>> The "c=" line nettype value [RFC4566] associated with each "m=" >>>> line >>>> within a BUNDLE group MUST be 'IN'. >>>> >>>> The "c=" line addrtype value [RFC4566] associated with each >>>> "m=" line >>>> within a BUNDLE group MUST be 'IP4' or 'IP6'. The same value >>>> MUST be >>>> associated with each "m=" line within a BUNDLE group. >>>> >>>> NOTE: Extensions to this specification can specify usage of the >>>> BUNDLE mechanism for other nettype and addrtype values than the >>>> ones >>>> listed above. >>>> >>>> ----------------------------- >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Christer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Alkuperäinen viesti----- >>>> Lähettäjä: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] >>>> Puolesta Christian Groves >>>> Lähetetty: 15. lokakuuta 2013 3:05 >>>> Vastaanottaja: mmusic@ietf.org >>>> Aihe: Re: [MMUSIC] Draft new version: >>>> draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-bundle-negotiation-05 >>>> >>>> Hello Christer, >>>> >>>> The SDP grouping mechanism can be applied to different >>>> nettype/addrtypes. The BUNDLE draft appears to define behaviour >>>> related only to the nettype=IN and addrtypes=IPv4/IPv6. i.e. section >>>> 2 defines BUNDLE terminology based on IP. >>>> >>>> Is there an intention that the BUNDLE mechanism is only used for the >>>> above net and addrtypes? If so should it be mentioned somewhere in >>>> the applicability statement? >>>> >>>> Regards, Christian >>>> >>>> On 14/10/2013 10:37 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I've submitted a new version of the BUNDLE draft. >>>>> >>>>> I have implemented the modified text for the Offerer and Answerer >>>>> procedures, as presented on the list in September. >>>>> >>>>> The procedures now also mention the usage of the SDP 'bundle-only' >>>>> attribute. However, the attribute definition itself has yet not been >>>>> added to the draft, as we still haven't solved the issue regarding >>>>> usage of port zero. >>>>> >>>>> In addition, there are some reference corrections, and the FQDN >>>>> values in the examples are now according to RFC 2606. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Christer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> mmusic mailing list >>>>> mmusic@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mmusic mailing list >>>> mmusic@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mmusic mailing list >>>> mmusic@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mmusic mailing list >>> mmusic@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mmusic mailing list >> mmusic@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >> > > _______________________________________________ > mmusic mailing list > mmusic@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >
- [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restrictio… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restri… Christian Groves
- Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restri… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restri… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restri… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restri… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restri… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restri… Christian Groves
- Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restri… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: nettype/addrtype restri… Christer Holmberg