Re: [MMUSIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-38: (with COMMENT)

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Fri, 09 August 2019 13:20 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-38: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Alissa,
        
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    > Thanks for addressing my DISCUSS. Previous comments are still below. Note that
    > the "Obsoletes" header still appears although I thought Christer said he had
    > removed it.

    Well, I did remove it in the pull request, but Suhas put it back when submitting a new version, as Heather indicated that it is ok to have it, and Flemming (WG chair) also indicated that he would like to have it there.

    Personally I don't have any preference, so whatever the community decides :)
    
    Regards,

    Christer





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    Since RFC 5245 is already obsolete, this document cannot obsolete it I don't
    think. RFC 8445 references this document, so readers of that document will be
    able to find this one.
    
    Section 2: Please use the precise boilerplate from RFC 8174.
    
    Section 4.1: It's not clear why IESG Approval is included as one of the
    registration policies to extend the candidate attribute. Does the WG anticipate
    cases where IETF Review will not be appropriate? And I agree with Alexey that a
    registry needs to be defined in the IANA Considerations section.
    
    Section 8: Agree with Ben about adding references to ICE and SDP security
    considerations.
    
    Section 9.1.1: s/esg@ietf.org/iesg@ietf.org/
    
    Section 9.2: Further to Alexey's point, the minimal information necessary for
    the registry to function should be collected and/or published.