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From: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 09:10:20 +0300
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To: Pete Resnick <resnick=40episteme.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Thanks, see =
https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/149

> On Aug 18, 2025, at 01:55, Pete Resnick =
<resnick=3D40episteme.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>=20
> I am quite satisfied with -10, including the text from PR 147. I think =
this resolves the difference between the two positions quite reasonably.
> Just two minor (though substantive) things I think we probably want to =
handle:
>     =E2=80=A2 In the first bullet of the goals list in 1.2 it says, =
"without regard to one's position or previous contributions", and in the =
last sentence of the section it says, "regardless of their position or =
past contributions". There are two ambiguities in there that I think =
leave open the possibility for confusion. I suggest replacing them, =
respectively, with "without regard to one's role in the ITEF or previous =
technical contributions" and "regardless of their role in the IETF or =
past technical contributions." That is, the word "position" refers to a =
leadership role or lack thereof, not a position taken on an issue, and =
the word "contributions" refers to technical contributions and not, for =
example, past contributions that consisted of uncivil behavior, which =
can certainly be taken into account when making judgements about =
moderations that may be needed.
>     =E2=80=A2 In section 4.1, it says that decisions "can be appealed =
to the IESG by anyone, per [RFC2026]" and "to the IAB as described in =
[RFC2026]". The reference to simply "[RFC2026]" is not quite specific =
enough. It could be that you mean "using the same procedures in section =
6.5.2 and 6.5.4 of [RFC 2026]", but I think you need to be clear on this =
either way. People often get confused about whether 6.5.1 or 6.5.2 is =
the correct procedure for a given circumstance, or whether something =
else should be specified. I know in the case of RFC 7776 (Ombudsteam), =
we only specified using the procedures of 6.5.4 and otherwise specified =
everything in the RFC itself because it wasn't like other appeals =
processes.
> I am fine if these are simply taken as early WGLC comments and =
addressed after WGLC.
> pr
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