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[199.83.223.237]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-29034f837dcsm6917175ad.111.2025.10.08.14.41.48 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 08 Oct 2025 14:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <63fca1cb-3dd1-4eeb-befa-c32074f7e24f@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 14:41:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: John C Klensin , Brian E Carpenter , Nick Hilliard , Eliot Lear References: <7b92e1a2-c480-4274-9af0-be0a36a5259e@network-heretics.com> <9C28CEC8-5709-46DF-8D3E-E95452994444@episteme.net> <800f96bb-4bf3-4683-8881-f96b6f382fd6@network-heretics.com> <709AF84B-B684-41FC-BFF5-574CB519DF49@episteme.net> <0aefdcbc-60ab-42a2-b15a-1cdab63729ac@lear.ch> <0C9CC770-5639-483B-93D2-5A82BEF4EB6B@episteme.net> <0875c18e-eb7e-4b0b-a32f-5728215586cb@lear.ch> <08aa10a0-0901-43a9-986b-7765f4d71785@lear.ch> <37209577-20fd-f43b-0330-d113cdff53da@foobar.org> <61A56763B96BB39838527EB6@PSB> Content-Language: en-US From: Rob Sayre In-Reply-To: <61A56763B96BB39838527EB6@PSB> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID-Hash: DRR6KJ4LCUXKDS4PN25VPRXIWXF6QAFR X-Message-ID-Hash: DRR6KJ4LCUXKDS4PN25VPRXIWXF6QAFR X-MailFrom: sayrer@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-0; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-1; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-2; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-3; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-4; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-5; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-6; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-7; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-8; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-9; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-10; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-11; header-match-mod-discuss.ietf.org-12; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Pete Resnick , Keith Moore , mod-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6 Precedence: list Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BMod-discuss=5D_Re=3A_Admin_overriding_moderator_=5Bwas_Keith_Mo?= =?utf-8?q?ore=27s_response_to_WGLC_=28was_Re=3A_WG_Last_call=2E=2E=2E=29=5D?= List-Id: Discussion list for IETF moderation policies and practices Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 10/8/25 2:22 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > > > Actually and in part to try to minimize adding to AD/IESG workload, Hi, Right. That was my aim: "Administrators can reverse a moderation decision without consulting an Area Director or the IESG." https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/253/files Notably, that doesn't mean they do not consult the moderators. It means they can negotiate without involving an AD or the IESG. If there's a really bad problem, that has to go up the chain. thanks, Rob