[Model-t] Next steps from Tuesday's breakfast meeting

Robin Wilton <wilton@isoc.org> Thu, 21 November 2019 03:34 UTC

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From: Robin Wilton <wilton@isoc.org>
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Subject: [Model-t] Next steps from Tuesday's breakfast meeting
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Hi everyone, and thank you Dominique for listing those follow-up actions.
I noted a few more, though they were of varying degrees of firmness/detail…

Please would those identified in the list below check to see if I have misrepresented their intent, and correct as appropriate?


Agenda Item 1.3: Who, when

Contributions:
Stephen F, Jari A: continue draft
Dominique L: continue draft
Ali R: survey of CDEs, collate some data about threats
Dirk K: will write up the thing he’s going to write up (!)
Tommy C: “aware of”: CLES endpoints draft; malware study
Robin W: will be producing a high-level vulnerability analysis in "crypto as a system” materials (1H2020, probably 1Q2020)
Christian H: will write up a couple of attack scenarios
Melinda S: trust comes from different sources in the world of decentralised apps, and that isn’t coming to the IETF… will write something
	Other:
		[Carsten B: IoT RG will be keeping an eye on thi as it evolves]
		[JA: “trust boundaries” - would MT or EKR contribute?]
MT - I have a half written thing


Timing:
Interim call in late Jan/Feb
Deferred decision on whether to meet at IETF107 (Vancouver, March 2020)



Best wishes,
Robin Wilton