Re: [Model-t] draft-thomson-tmi

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Mon, 13 July 2020 13:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Model-t] draft-thomson-tmi
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:56 AM Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=
40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

>
>
> > Il 13/07/2020 06:32 Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > There have been a lot of discussions recently about the threat model,
> but I thought that I would contribute something concrete.
> >
> > This is an attempt to capture what I believe to be the principles behind
> some of the more prominent recent protocol design efforts.  In some ways
> this is a broader take than that in RFC 8558, which was a discussion of
> transport protocols.  QUIC very much embodies these principles, but I could
> point to a number of other efforts across the IETF.  The principles I
> recommend are:
> >
> >    1.  Prefer designs without intermediaries
> >
> >    2.  Failing that, control which entities can intermediate the
> protocol, and
> >
> >    3.  Limit actions and information that are available to intermediaries
>
> I think that this really depends on who you are and how you see the world.
> There are people who are more afraid of the endpoints, given how hard it
> has become to be able to know and choose who you (the applications and
> devices you use) communicate with - so these people would like to become
> intermediaries, or install intermediaries, to regain control of their
> communications. Think of concepts like ad blockers,


Ad blocking commonly takes place at the endpoint, where it is far more
effective than at the network layer.

-Ekr