Re: [Mops] streaming-opcons-07 review
"Ali C. Begen" <ali.begen@networked.media> Sun, 12 December 2021 19:04 UTC
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 22:03:47 +0300
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Subject: Re: [Mops] streaming-opcons-07 review
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Thanks Chris. I addressed all your comments at: https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/pull/93 I leave it to my esteemed coauthors to accept the PR ;) Any comments are also welcome on the PR. -acbegen On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:03 PM Chris Lemmons <alficles@gmail.com> wrote: > Nits and observations: > §2.2 "handwidth" should be "bandwidth". > §2.6 "faiis" should be "fails". > §2.6 ISP acronym is used without expanding the first use for those > unfamiliar with it. > §2.7 IXP and VPN acronyms used without definition as well. > > For the acronyms, ISP and VPN might be well known enough to avoid > spelling out, but IXP probably needs spelling out the first time. I > usually err on the side of spelling them out, though, to avoid > ambiguity. > > §4.5.2 Does "goodput" need explanation or do we think readers will be > familiar with the term? Could a reference help here? > §4.6.2 "Many assumes" should be "Many assume" or "Many people assume". > §5 Most of the document uses "Adaptive BitRate", but here we use > "Adaptive Bitrate". We should be consistent with capitalization. > §5.2 "we have trusted the TCP protocol" reads oddly because the P > already stands for protocol. Perhaps just "we have trusted TCP"? Also > in the last paragraph with "Although TCP protocol behavior". > §5.3 "transport protocol behaviors that responds" should be "transport > protocol behaviors that respond". > §5.3 "something completely different" needs full stop. > §7.3 Traffic Control CDN has graduated Apache incubation. The new > address is https://trafficcontrol.apache.org/ . > §7.6.* Should most of these links be references? Or are just links ok? > I know with any kind of linking there's a risk of staleness, but these > are probably useful enough to provide, I'm just not sure exactly what > the right formatting should be. > §9 It's odd to say basically nothing in the "Security Issues" section. > We've got multiple sections (including all of section 6) that touch on > security and privacy implications of various kinds of behaviours in > the streaming media space. Maybe a sentence or two here that points to > the rest of the doc while acknowledging that since we're not defining > a new protocol, we're not creating new problems? Or maybe it's fine as > is. It just feels strange to me. > > Procedural question: We have references to drafts in the document. > Does its publication need to be held until those references can be > resolved? > > Relatedly, 7234 is very likely to be obsoleted by > draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-19 (which is in the RFC Editors queue) soon. > Should we update the reference in §2.4 assuming this document is > published after that? > > And, of course, an apology for being so very late to review this. It's > a substantial document and it has a _lot_ of really valuable guidance. > Perhaps most valuable of all are the very well-collected references > that point the reader to a lot of other documents, organizations, and > initiatives. If we hammer out the last few details, I support this > draft. > > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >
- [Mops] streaming-opcons-07 review Chris Lemmons
- Re: [Mops] streaming-opcons-07 review Ali C. Begen