Re: [Moq] Charter adjustment

I agree with Ali and Dan that “on-path” has a specific meaning to many networking people which is not the meaning intended in the charter. I would contend that is a misnomer that must be removed.

The discussion of middle boxes has been in the context of explicitly addressing them, not them happening to be on the network path to another endpoint and transparently mediating the packet flow addressed to that other endpoint. That is certainly a viable use case, but not one I’ve seen anyone mention, perhaps because QUIC encryption makes on-path mediation very difficult.

Mo

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From: Moq <moq-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Suhas Nandakumar <suhasietf@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:03:20 PM
To: Ali C. Begen <ali.begen=40networked.media@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>; MOQ Mailing List <moq@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Moq] Charter adjustment

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:16 AM Ali C. Begen <ali.begen=40networked.media@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40networked.media@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
Ted,

My suggestion still stands as follows:

The working group will define MoQ so that the media publication protocol can leverage middleboxes such as relays, caches and replication points wherever applicable to improve the delivery performance.

Again, “on-path” is not needed IMO. Further, I still dont want to limit ourselves to only relays.

Ali, just to clarify , doesn't "wherever applicable" cover all the cases where there might not be a middlebox (overloaded term :-) ) on the path between MOQ media peers.

-acbegen

> On Jul 21, 2022, at 12:09 PM, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Folks seemed fairly happy with the idea of adjusting this text:
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> "The MOQ architecture will allow for the use of optional relays as first class elements of the design.  The media publication protocol can leverage on-path relays/caches wherever applicable to improve the media quality."
>
> to this text:
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> "The working group will define MoQ so that the media publication protocol can leverage on-path relays/caches wherever applicable to improve the delivery performance."
>
> If anyone objects to this change, please say so on the list; otherwise, I will adjust in the copy of the charter we review at the BoF (currently https://github.com/moq-wg/moq-charter/pull/49).
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> regards,
>
> Ted
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