Re: [Mpls-interop] PST.ppt
Loa Andersson <eloaand@redback.com> Wed, 03 December 2008 14:17 UTC
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From: Loa Andersson <eloaand@redback.com>
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:17:44 -0800
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Nurit, -----Original Message----- From: mpls-interop-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-interop-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:11 PM To: ext Loa Andersson; Adrian Farrel Cc: mpls-interop@ietf.org; Weingarten, Yaacov (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) Subject: Re: [Mpls-interop] PST.ppt The intention is to protect the PST....and switch over the tunneled Loa > Contained LSPs is equal to tunneled LSP? Correct? /Loa This is LSPs into a protected PST when there is a fault condition along the working PST. -----Original Message----- From: ext Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 16:08 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon); hhelvoort@chello.nl; Weingarten, Yaacov (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon); mpls-interop@ietf.org Subject: Re: PST.ppt Adrian, Adrian Farrel wrote: >> I don't think that it should any different. > > Good > >> So 2nd PE from the left pops the tunnel label and swaps the inner >> label and then pushes the new tunnel label. Is that what you say? > > Yup. Normal LSR behavior. > >> Same for the 3rd PE? > > Why would this be any different from normal LSR behavior? :-) I don't look for or hope for any difference ;). Assuming there is a PST from the 3rd to the 4th PE also? What is protected from e.g. 3rd PE to the 4th PE the entire containing tunnel or the each separate contained tunnel? /Loa > > A > >> Adrian Farrel wrote: >>> Loa, >>> >>> Why would this be any different from normal LSR behavior? >>> >>> P1 sees only the PST labels >>> PEs pop the PST label and see the e2e label and process it as normal. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Adrian >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.nu> >>> To: "Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)" <nurit.sprecher@nsn.com> >>> Cc: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>uk>; <hhelvoort@chello.nl>nl>; >>> "Weingarten, Yaacov (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)" >>> <yaacov.weingarten@nsn.com>om>; <mpls-interop@ietf.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: PST.ppt >>> >>> >>>> Nurit, >>>> >>>> ok fine, however ... >>>> >>>> In your figure will the 2nd and 3rd PEs label swap the label on >>>> E2E tunnels LSP? Or is the same label showing up at the 4th PE? >>>> >>>> /Loa >>>> >>>> Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) wrote: >>>>> Oops......my mistake.......here is the updated figure...... >>>>> >>>>> The intention was to refer to a SS-PW. Accidentally I referred to T-PE >>>>> and S-PE. >>>>> >>>>> We can provide also another figure for the MS-PW case. >>>>> >>>>> Note also that the figure is adapted with the new term - PST >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: ext Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 14:21 >>>>> To: Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) >>>>> Cc: Adrian Farrel; hhelvoort@chello.nl; Weingarten, Yaacov (NSN - >>>>> IL/Hod >>>>> HaSharon); mpls-interop@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: PST question: Was (Re: [Mpls-interop] Who will be in Geneva?) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Renaming the thread - a little late but anyway ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> at risk asking the obvious, since I'm still reading through the >>>>> >>>>> thread? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nurit, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In your figure will the S-PEs label swap the label on >>>>> >>>>> E2E tunnels LSP? Or is the same label showing up at the >>>>> >>>>> second T-PE? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> /Loa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>>> I agree that we need to find a better name...... >>>>> >>>>>> What about the figure in the second slide of the attached? >>>>> >>>>>> If multiple LSPs transmit via the same physical path in the first >>>>> domain >>>>> >>>>>> and have the same constraints, why cannot we aggregate them and run >>>>> OAM >>>>> >>>>>> per the aggregated in the first domain? >>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>>> Nurit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>> From: ext Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] >>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:20 >>>>> >>>>>> To: hhelvoort@chello.nl; Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) >>>>> >>>>>> Cc: ext Ben Niven-Jenkins; mpls-interop@ietf.org >>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mpls-interop] Who will be in Geneva? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Huub. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> The TC aggregate is not a TC anymore, it should IMHO be referred >>>>> >>>>>>> to as a tunnel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Yes! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Which is not to say that it is not a useful construct for reducing >>>>>> OAM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> overhead. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I think (OK, I know) that I suggested we avoid using the TC language >>>>> as >>>>> >>>>>> I >>>>> >>>>>> thought we would find it unhelpful. Perhaps when we meet to go >>>>>> through >>>>> >>>>>> this, >>>>> >>>>>> we can draw pictures and work out the language later? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> A >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>> Mpls-interop mailing list >>>>> >>>>>> Mpls-interop@ietf.org >>>>> >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-interop >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@redback.com >>>> Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu >>>> Redback Networks phone: +46 8 632 77 14 >>>> An Ericsson Company >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@redback.com >> Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu >> Redback Networks phone: +46 8 632 77 14 >> An Ericsson Company > > -- Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@redback.com Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu Redback Networks phone: +46 8 632 77 14 An Ericsson Company _______________________________________________ Mpls-interop mailing list Mpls-interop@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-interop _______________________________________________ Mpls-interop mailing list Mpls-interop@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-interop
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