Re: [Mpls-interop] MPLS over MPLS-TP
Ben Niven-Jenkins <benjamin.niven-jenkins@bt.com> Fri, 12 December 2008 09:40 UTC
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From: Ben Niven-Jenkins <benjamin.niven-jenkins@bt.com>
To: "Malis, Andrew G. (Andy)" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>,
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Subject: Re: [Mpls-interop] MPLS over MPLS-TP
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Andy, OK I see your point. If the network is screwed up all bets are off. Ben On 11/12/2008 20:11, "Malis, Andrew G. (Andy)" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com> wrote: > How is it any better for a PW? You still have a label at the top of the > stack. There are two scenarios: > > 1. A label is popped at the MPLS-TP layer that shouldn't have been > > That's either going to expose another label at that layer that won't be > have the proper context, or the start of an IP packet that'll be > misinterpreted as a label (since MPLS-TP switches presumably won't know > how to forward IP, at least in the fast path). In either case, if > there's a matching label allocation to the 20 bits in the header, then > it'll be forwarded out a random interface, or dropped if there's no > match. > > 2. An MPLS-TP label wasn't popped that should have been > > That'll expose (probably) the bottom-most MPLS-TP label to the IP/MPLS > client router. Again, what happens next depends on how that label is > interpreted by the router. > > Either way, how are things any better if you use a PW label? > > Cheers, > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Niven-Jenkins [mailto:benjamin.niven-jenkins@bt.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:03 PM > To: Malis, Andrew G. (Andy); Adrian Farrel; Drake, John E; > mpls-interop@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Mpls-interop] MPLS over MPLS-TP > > Andy, > > > On 11/12/2008 15:31, "Malis, Andrew G. (Andy)" > <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com> > wrote: >> AM> The intention would be that the MPLS-TP EOS bit would only be >> encountered at boundary the MPLS-TP network, and the payload would >> delivered to the client to do with as it desires (and expects), > whether >> it's IP to forward, MPLS to switch using router-allocated labels, PW >> contents, or something else entirely. To the client, there should be > no >> difference (at some layer of abstraction above the interface details) >> between using MPLS-TP for transport and POS or GFP encapsulation for >> transport. > > Yes, but my concern is that IP & MPLS may well be 'recognised' in the > network core and if something happened (e.g. Erroneous label pop) to > expose > them they could be forwarded natively in error. Other traffic types are > unlikely to have this happen as the network core is unlikely to support > natively forwarding them. > > Ben > _______________________________________________ Mpls-interop mailing list Mpls-interop@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-interop
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- Re: [Mpls-interop] MPLS over MPLS-TP Adrian Farrel
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