Re: [mpls-tp] [PWE3] [AHMPLS-TP] Re: pollondraft-he-mpls-tp-csf-03.txt

["LEVRAU, LIEVEN (LIEVEN)" <[e-mail]>]

provocative statement alert- We should as we are talking about MPLS-TP and not about IP network layer.

./
Lieven
-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
Sent: 02 December 2010 14:14
To: Yuanlong Jiang
Cc: Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon); MPLS-TP ad hoc team; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [mpls] [PWE3] [AHMPLS-TP] Re: [mpls-tp] pollondraft-he-mpls-tp-csf-03.txt

Are we ignoring the existence of BFD altogether?

Cheers,
Rajiv

Sent from my Phone

On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Yuanlong Jiang <[e-mail]> wrote:

> John,
> 
> Typically, IP will only detect a failure in a time scale of minutes.
> That is one reason why MPLS-TP OAM and Protection & Switching is needed.
> I am not sure which mechanism in MPLS provides the CSF-like capability, could you give more hints?
> 
> Thanks
> Yuanlong
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John E Drake" <[e-mail]>
> To: "Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)" <[e-mail]>om>; "Yuanlong Jiang" <[e-mail]>om>; "Loa Andersson" <[e-mail]>nu>; <[e-mail]>rg>; <[e-mail]>rg>; <[e-mail]>rg>; "MPLS-TP ad hoc team" <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [PWE3] [AHMPLS-TP] Re: [mpls-tp] poll ondraft-he-mpls-tp-csf-03.txt
> 
> 
>> Nurit,
>> 
>> As I understand the original requirement from Malcolm Betts, this capability is required for those cases in which a client is unable to detect the failure of its peer.  In MPLS-TP, we have three clients, PW, IP, and MPLS, and I am quite sure that IP and MPLS clients can take care of themselves wrt detecting peer failure.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)
>>> [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:47 AM
>>> To: John E Drake; Yuanlong Jiang; Loa Andersson; [e-mail]; mpls-
>>> [e-mail]; [e-mail]; MPLS-TP ad hoc team
>>> Subject: RE: [PWE3] [AHMPLS-TP] Re: [mpls-tp] poll ondraft-he-mpls-tp-
>>> csf-03.txt
>>> 
>>> But what about other client services... e.g. adapted by service-LSP and
>>> not by PWE3?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
>>> ext John E Drake
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:35 PM
>>> To: Yuanlong Jiang; Loa Andersson; [e-mail]; [e-mail];
>>> [e-mail]; MPLS-TP ad hoc team
>>> Subject: Re: [PWE3] [AHMPLS-TP] Re: [mpls-tp] poll
>>> ondraft-he-mpls-tp-csf-03.txt
>>> 
>>> I am not convinced.  It seems like it belongs in the Pseudo Wire
>>> application, which already has this capability.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Yuanlong Jiang [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 1:07 AM
>>> > To: Loa Andersson; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail];
>>> > MPLS-TP ad hoc team
>>> > Subject: [AHMPLS-TP] Re: [mpls-tp] poll on draft-he-mpls-tp-csf-
>>> 03.txt
>>> >
>>> > Support.
>>> >
>>> > I believe this mechanism is needed in MPLS-TP.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> > Yuanlong
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Loa Andersson" <[e-mail]>
>>> > To: <[e-mail]>rg>; <[e-mail]>rg>; <[e-mail]>rg>; "MPLS-TP ad
>>> > hoc
>>> > team" <[e-mail]>
>>> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:56 PM
>>> > Subject: [mpls-tp] poll on draft-he-mpls-tp-csf-03.txt
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > all,
>>> > >
>>> > > this is to start a two week poll on making
>>> > >
>>> > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-he-mpls-tp-csf-03.txt
>>> > >
>>> > > a mpls working group document.
>>> > >
>>> > > Please send comments support/not support to the mpls-tp maililng
>>> > list.
>>> > >
>>> > > The poll ends Thursday Dec 2, 2010.
>>> > >
>>> > > /Loa
>>> > > --
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Loa Andersson                         email:
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