Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP in MPLS-TP networks
John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> Thu, 02 December 2010 16:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP in MPLS-TP networks
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Snipped... In the context of MPLS-TP what is a 'non-drop eligible frame'? For one thing, we deal in packets. For another, within a packet, where is this non-drop eligibility information carried? Also, what does 'congestion on the links' mean? Sent from my iPhone > > [[[Sasha]]] Let's start from the fact that in packet (and, BTW, ATM) > > networks, frames are discarded not only due > > To bit errors, but also (and mainly) due to congestion. Congestion > does > > not have any analog in SDH. > > In addition, indication of frames discarded due to CRC errors happens > > only at the data link layer > > (which MPLS-TP is not), and its indications are not forwarded > anywhere. > > [maarten] I am very much aware of the discarding due to congestion. I > am > also aware that in transport networks the expectation is that such > discarding will be rare conditions for the non-drop eligible frames. > > [maarten] The counting of transmitted and received frames and the > computation of the difference presents the number of non-drop eligible > frames that have been lost due to bit errors on the links and > congestion on > the links. The absence of an expected frame is a very good indication > of > such loss at an upstream point in the connection. The absence is > forwarded > by means of the transmitted and received counts. > > I hope this clarifies my view a bit better. > Regards, > Maarten > o/mpls-tp
- [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP in … D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… neil.2.harrison
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Ben Niven-Jenkins
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- [mpls-tp] R: about open discussion about MIP MEP … BUSI, ITALO (ITALO)
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Maarten Vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Maarten Vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- [mpls-tp] R: about open discussion about MIP MEP … BUSI, ITALO (ITALO)
- [mpls-tp] R: about open discussion about MIP MEP … BUSI, ITALO (ITALO)
- [mpls-tp] R: about open discussion about MIP MEP … BUSI, ITALO (ITALO)
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Maarten Vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Maarten Vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- [mpls-tp] R: about open discussion about MIP MEP … BUSI, ITALO (ITALO)
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… David Allan I
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Yoshinori KOIKE
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Maarten Vissers
- [mpls-tp] R: about open discussion about MIP MEP … BUSI, ITALO (ITALO)
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- [mpls-tp] R: about open discussion about MIP MEP … BUSI, ITALO (ITALO)
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Yoshinori KOIKE
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Yoshinori KOIKE
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Maarten Vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Maarten Vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… John E Drake
- Re: [mpls-tp] about open discussion about MIP MEP… Alexander Vainshtein