Re: [mpls-tp] 答复: Re: Alarm Reporting (aka AIS)
John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> Mon, 13 December 2010 16:31 UTC
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From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
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Huub, A bis update to the RFC, indicating that upon further refection the requirement was ill-considered, can always be issued. Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls-tp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-tp-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of neil.2.harrison@bt.com > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:29 AM > To: huubatwork@gmail.com; wei.hongbo@zte.com.cn > Cc: mpls-tp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [mpls-tp] 答复: Re: Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) > > Huub wrote 13 December 2010 10:21 > > > Hello Steven, > > > > You wrote: > > > > > I think we need to listen to the views of Neil on AIS. > > > > > > This is just a purely technical discussion, isn't it? > > > > Yes it is, I am *not* trying to shoot the messenger. > > > > My concern is that we have a requirement in RFC5860. > > A solution (for AIS) is provided in draft-ietf-mpls-tp-fault. > > > > How will the current discussion affect the progress of this draft? > > NH=> I guess a key issue here is trying to figure out which, if any, > operators still want AIS. Perhaps those operators did not previously > understand that: > - is it a redundant technical function (for reasons I have > explained previously), and > - it is a potential source of further problems in itself, as OAM > messages have to be constructed/configured (the always-on defect > detection needs to be as simple/sparse as possible since it must be > significantly more reliable than the network it is monitoring, and thus > all unnecessary sources of defects/configuration-errors should be > minimised). > > Perhaps those operators who may have originally supported the > requirement for AIS in packet-switched networks did not properly > understood these issues before? > > In any case, it is important that for those operators who have properly > understood what AIS is to be able to have this function disabled in > their networks. > > regards, Neil > > > > > Regards, Huub. > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls-tp mailing list > mpls-tp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-tp
- [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Maarten Vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) neil.2.harrison
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) andy.bd.reid
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS)
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) George Newsome
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS)
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) t.petch
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) t.petch
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Greg Mirsky
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Maarten Vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Maarten Vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Huub van Helvoort
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Maarten Vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) neil.2.harrison
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Huub van Helvoort
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) neil.2.harrison
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Huub van Helvoort
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) neil.2.harrison
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) andy.bd.reid
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) neil.2.harrison
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Huub van Helvoort
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) neil.2.harrison
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Huub van Helvoort
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) neil.2.harrison
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Huub van Helvoort
- [mpls-tp] 答复: Re: Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) wei.hongbo
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) maarten vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls-tp] Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) maarten vissers
- Re: [mpls-tp] 答复: Re: Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Huub van Helvoort
- Re: [mpls-tp] 答复: Re: Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) neil.2.harrison
- Re: [mpls-tp] 答复: Re: Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) John E Drake
- Re: [mpls-tp] 答复: Re: Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) Greg Mirsky
- Re: [mpls-tp] 答复: Re: Alarm Reporting (aka AIS) John E Drake