Re: [mpls] Shepherd Writeup update for draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm-12
Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> Wed, 01 March 2017 05:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mpls] Shepherd Writeup update for draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm-12
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David, I'm mostly a OK with this update to the Shwphwrérs Write-Up. A few very small nits inline. On 2017-03-01 04:15, David Sinicrope wrote: > The last Shepherd writeup of this draft was from Dec 2015 (v8 and v9 of > the document). > > The text below is intended to update that writeup based on v12 of the > document. > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, > > Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why > > is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the > > title page header? > > > > Informational. This is indicated on the title page header, and is > > appropriate since this document specifies requirements for future work. > > > > (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement > > Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent > > examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved > > documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: > > > > Technical Summary > > > > The MPLS transport profile (MPLS-TP) includes OAM functions which enable > > maintenance tools that may be used by network operators and service > providers > > for fault location, survivability, performance monitoring, in-service > and out- > > of-service measurements. Based on identified problems, this document > provides > > considerations for the specification of new requirements to consider > a new > > improved mechanism for hitless transport path segment monitoring to > be named > > Enhanced Path Segment Monitoring (EPSM). > > > > Working Group Summary > > > > WG progress was relatively smooth with no controversy. > > > > Document Quality > > > > The document has been well reviewed by the WG and also as mentioned > below, > > and updated accordingly. This sentence does not read well. Did you intend to mention that it has been reviewed by SG15? As a requirements document it does not > specify any > > protocol to be implemented, but rather specifies requirements which > will be used > > to guide future work. > > > > Personnel > > > > David Sinicrope is the current Document Shepherd, taking over from Ross > Callon. Deborah Brungard is the Responsible Area > > Director. > > I think there is a script extending Shepherd and AD (but I might be wrong), but I use the format: David Sinicrope is the current Document Shepherd. Deborah Brungard is the Responsible Area Director. You might add an extra sentence mentioning that you taken over from Ross. > > (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by > > the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready > > for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to > > the IESG. > > > > The document shepherd has reviewed the document, and the document > > has been updated in response to his comments. At WG chair request Huub hmmm - sent the request to Huub, but I think I did it as a co-author. > > van Helvoort has also done a grammatical review of the document. In > addition Rtg Dir Review was performed and liaisons to ITU-T SG15 > generated to inform them of the draft and its intent to describe > different MPLS-TP OAM requirements those communicated from ITU-T previously. > > > > (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or > > breadth of the reviews that have been performed? > > > > no concerns. > > > > (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from > > broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, > > DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that > > took place. > > > > no additional review needed. > > > > (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd > > has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the > > IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable > > with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really > > is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and > > has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those > > concerns here. > > > > While no explicit concerns, it should be noted that the document > entertains “analysis of existing MPLS-TP OAM mechanisms” and “provides > requirements to guide development of new OAM tools” on a topic where > requirements were established, led and communicated from ITU-T SG15. > There has been liaison activity related to this topic and I-D dating > back to 2010 with https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/917/. Continued > open communication with ITU-T SG15 should be maintained to ensure > continuity and migration from existing requirements and solutions. > > > > (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR > > disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 > > and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. > > > > Yes. (this is being reconfirmed for the latest revision) > > > > (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? > > If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR > > disclosures. > > > > No IPR disclosures have been filed that reference this document. > > > > (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it > > represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others > > being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? > > > > Rough consensus. The document has been progressing slowly for quite a > while and there was positive response to the WGLC with no objections > albeit from a small handful of people, mostly from the author’s > affiliations. > > > > (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme > > discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate > > email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a > > separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) > > > > No discontent or objection, just caution as noted by the comments > regarding ITU-T above. > > > > (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this > > document. (See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts > > Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be > > thorough. > > > > IDnits pointed to a few minor issues which should be corrected in v12. There is actually one error in version -12, there is a reference in the abstract, [6371] should be removed, so that we mention RFC 6371 only. I think it would be possible to do this at the next round of feedback. > > > > (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review > > criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. > > > > Not applicable. > > > > (13) Have all references within this document been identified as > > either normative or informative? > > > > Yes. It should be noted that there are M#/Mandatory requirements made > to informative references. I don't quite get this, did you intend to say that references to Informational RFCs in earlier versions has no been moved ti Informative? /Loa > > > > (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for > > advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative > > references exist, what is the plan for their completion? > > > > All references are to published RFCs. > > > > (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? > > If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in > > the Last Call procedure. > > > > No downrefs. Earlier versions of the document did have downrefs but > it was > > clear that these should have been informative references, and the > document > > was updated accordingly. > > > > (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any > > existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed > > in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not > > listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the > > part of the document where the relationship of this document to the > > other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, > > explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. > > > > not applicable. > > > > (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations > > section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the > > document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes > > are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. > > Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly > > identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a > > detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that > > allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a > > reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). > > > > There are no requests for IANA actions in this document. This is > appropriate. > > > > (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future > > allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find > > useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. > > > > There are no requests for IANA actions in this document. > > > > (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document > > Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal > > language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. > > > > not applicable. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64
- [mpls] Shepherd Writeup update for draft-ietf-mpl… David Sinicrope
- Re: [mpls] Shepherd Writeup update for draft-ietf… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] Shepherd Writeup update for draft-ietf… Huub van Helvoort