Re: [mpls] draft-fang-mpls-label-forwarding-no-swap - how much does it really save?

Shahram Davari <davari@broadcom.com> Thu, 23 July 2015 17:18 UTC

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From: Shahram Davari <davari@broadcom.com>
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, Andrew Qu <andrew.qu@mediatek.com>, "Alexander Vainshtein" <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>, "S. Davari" <davarish@yahoo.com>
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I thought the idea was to decrement TTL and consider EXP bits for queuing and count as a hop so you can do OAM, etc.. Basically swap to itself.

Thx
Shahram

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From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 9:59 AM
To: Andrew Qu; Alexander Vainshtein; Stewart Bryant; Andrew G. Malis; S. Davari
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Subject: Re: [mpls] draft-fang-mpls-label-forwarding-no-swap - how much does it really save?

Andrew,

On 2015-07-23 16:01, Andrew Qu wrote:
> I don't agree no-swap is the same as "swap with same value".
>
> I think if standard adds a no-swap operation, that would be great for
> people to implement
>
> Either SW or HW.
>
> Once the label is defined as swap, I need to consider
>
> 1)TTL
>
> Copy payload TTL ? or using const_value
>
> 2)QoS (pipe mode or not)
>
> If pipe mode => then I need to do something
>
> If not=> then I need to do something else.
>
> However if it is really a "no-swap",  then it is very clear for HW/SW to
> implement such operation.
>
> I don't need to consider any part of above cases.

I've a little bit ambivalent (mostly thought this is a no go) about this
draft, bur if we say that no-swap and not considering TTL and QOS, then
this definitely a no go!

/Loa
>
> I don't think swaping a same value label is NOT the same as "no-swap" at
> all.
>
>  From Standard point of view, we should NOT leave ambiguity here at all.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
>
> *From:*mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Alexander
> Vainshtein
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:05 PM
> *To:* Stewart Bryant; Andrew G. Malis; S. Davari
> *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [mpls] draft-fang-mpls-label-forwarding-no-swap - how
> much does it really save?
>
> +1.
>
> Thumb typed on my LG,
> Sasha
>
> ------ Original message ------
> *From: *Stewart Bryant
> *Date: *21/07/2015 17:58
> *To: *Andrew G. Malis;S. Davari;
> *Cc: *mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>;
> *Subject:*Re: [mpls] draft-fang-mpls-label-forwarding-no-swap - how much
> does it really save?
>
> This draft proposes architectural changes, and as we can show that
> these changes are not needed, in my view, this draft should not go
> forward.
>
> - Stewart
>
>
> On 21/07/2015 09:02, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>
>     As there are no architectural or protocol changes or IANA
>     considerations, this draft should be informational if it goes
>     forward (it currently says "standards track").
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Andy
>
>     On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 8:52 PM, S. Davari  <davarish@yahoo.com
>     <mailto:davarish@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     Eric
>
>     I agree no standard change is required since this is a local
>     optimization issue.
>
>     Regards,
>     Shahram
>
>
>     > On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Eric C Rosen <erosen@juniper.net <mailto:erosen@juniper.net>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> On 7/20/2015 2:07 PM, Shahram Davari wrote:
>     >> The new swapped labels (The outgoing  label that replaces the
>     >> incoming label) need to be stored in a table. Using this draft
>     >> reduces the number of swapped labels that needs to be stored,
>     >> regardless of  implementation. Don't you agree?
>     >
>     > No.  If you notice that the incoming label needs to be 'replaced' by an outgoing label of the same value, you could just make the rewrite string shorter, so it won't overwrite the top label on the stack.  This seems to be what the draft suggests, but it could  be done as an optimization for the particular case where the
>     incoming and outgoing labels have the same value.  You could do this
>     today, as a local implementation optimization. There doesn't seem to
>     be any interop issue or any change to the data plane semantics.
>     >
>     >> It also reduces the configuration and management of the new swapped labels.
>     >
>     > We're not discussing whether there are any advantages to the use of domain-wide labels.  We're discussing whether the use of domain-wide labels requires a change in the forwarding plane architecture.  I just don't see that it does.
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