Re: [mpls] 答复: Re: Updated drafts - draft-kini-mpls-ring-frr-facility-backup, draft-kini-mpls-fast-lsp-alert

[Alexander Vainshtein <[e-mail]>]

Xuehui, and all,

As a matter of fact, FRR is a pure data plane mechanism that can be decoupled from the control plane.
(Of course it means that your bypass tunnels have to be constructed by the management plane, but this is nothing to prevent this). As a consequence, FRR is fully acceptable in MPLS-TP.

My 2 c,
     Sasha

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Subject: [mpls] 答复: Re: Updated drafts - draft-kini-mpls-ring-frr-facility-backup, draft-kini-mpls-fast-lsp-alert


Hi all，

From my understanding, FRR mechanism is based on RSVP-TE protocol, since , if the proposed method be used in MPLS-TP ,this can only be used when there is a control plane.

 and in the example below, e-backup tunnel  L10-L1-L2-L3-L4-L5-L6 can only protect LSP1: L10-L9-L8-L7-L6; and for LSP2:: L10-L1-L2-L3-L4, there should be another e-backup tunnel . and

through the association between the primary LSP and bypass tunnel ( by RRO object ), once an alert message received from this bypass tunnel , the node can judge which primary LSP needs to be protected.

is my understanding right?

Best regards,

-xuehui



Autumn Liu <[e-mail]>
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2010-08-05 06:08


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Hi Liu,

In your example, the bypass tunnel only protects the first primary LSP (L10-L9-L8-L7-L6). The proposed RRO object will be included for this primary LSP only. As a result, the alert message will only trigger this primary to switch over to the e-backup.

Regards,
Autumn

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hi,Autumn
here I only ask a question for this E-FRR solution.
for example as the following:
  +-------L1--------L2---------L3--------L4-------+
  |                                                      |
L10                                                  L5
 |                                                      |
+-------L9--------L8---------L7--------L6-------+
we suppose there are two working LSP , One LSP: L10-L9-L8-L7-L6,
another LSP: L10-L1-L2-L3-L4.
now if the failure happened between L8 and L7. according to your solution.
L8 and L7 would send fast alert message to each node of bypass Tunnel
: L8-L9-L10-L1-L2-L3-L4-L5-L6-L7;
when node L10 received fast alert message from L8 or L7, for working LSP:
L10-L9-L8-L7-L6, will swich into e-backup tunnel: L10-L1-L2-L3-L4-L5-L6;
while for another LSP: L10-L1-L2-L3-L4 , how  do it know the failure don't
affect the working LSP and can't need to switch into e-backup tunnel?
whether there is include LSP ID information which will be affected by
the failure in the fast alert message packet? or the solution will adapt
new method to judge which LSP will be affected by the failure?

maybe my understanding be wrong?

best regards
liu







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2010-07-28 06:35

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Hi Greg and Julien

Thanks for pointing this out. The draft can be applied to the case when segment protection is utilized as defined in 4873. We will update the draft accordingly.

Regards,
Autumn



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Dear Autumn,
thank you for adding specific case to our discussion. In my view protecting segment L10-L1-L2-L3-L4-L5 (e-backup tunnel) is shared by all backup tunnels that traverse the ring through nodes L10-L9-L8-L7-L6-L5. This e-backup tunnel is the e-backup tunnels for all working sections/segments (in case of link and node protection) of an LSP L10-...-L8-..-L5. I'd re-state my question to authors whether they've considered re-using RSVP-TE objects and subobjects defined in RFC 4873.  If mechanisms and objects defined in RFC 4873 not sufficient, why RFC 4873 not referenced in the draft Efficient Facility Backup FRR.

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Autumn Liu <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
Hi Greg,

+-------L1--------L2---------L3--------L4-------+
|                                                      |
L10                                                  L5
 |                                                      |
+-------L9--------L8---------L7--------L6-------+

Not all PLRs. Using the diagram in draft as an example.
Bypass 1 (to protect link between L8 and L7) : L8-L9-L10-L1-L2-L3-L4-L5-L6-L7
Bypass 2 (to protect node failure on L8) : L9-L10-L1-L2-L3-L4-L5-L6-L7

e-backup tunnel L10-L1-L2-L3-L4-L5 can be used instead for both cases without getting traffic u-turned.

Regards,
Autumn



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Subject: Re: [mpls] Updated drafts - draft-kini-mpls-ring-frr-facility-backup, draft-kini-mpls-fast-lsp-alert

Dear Autumn,
I'm quite surprised to read your reply to Julien. My understanding of your proposal is that all PLRs share the same u-PLR for given ring segment of LSP. Please correct me if my understanding is different from authors intention.
I'd like to add to Julien's comment that RFC 4873 seems relevant to your solution as well as RFC 4872. And I'd ask the same question as Julien in regard to not referencing RFC 4873.

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Autumn Liu <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
Hi Julien,

draft-kini-mpls-ring-frr-facility-backup describes a mechanism to let the primary LSP be aware of what the bypass LSP for corresponding protected facility. If my understanding is correct, the association mechanism defined in 4872 is used to associate the primary and backup LSPs. This is not good enough for the problem the draft is trying to address since each link/node along the primary LSP may have different bypass LSPs.

Regards,
Autumn


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Subject: Re: [mpls] Updated drafts - draft-kini-mpls-ring-frr-facility-backup, draft-kini-mpls-fast-lsp-alert

Hi Sriganesh.

The mechanism described in draft-kini-mpls-ring-frr-facility-backup
reminds me of end to end recovery (or more specifically end to end protection), as enabled by RFC 4872. That is all the more similar because the association mechanism is already defined in there, with a dedicated RSVP-TE object. RFC 4872 is Standard Track: is there any rational for not considering it?

Regards,

Julien


Le 26/07/2010 18:59, Sriganesh Kini a écrit :
> FYI - These updated version of these drafts were presented today at
> IETF78.
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kini-mpls-ring-frr-facility-backup-01
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kini-mpls-fast-lsp-alert-01
> Thanks
>
> - Sri
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