Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam
Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> Mon, 13 December 2021 09:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam
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Foks, I think Dhruv correct, but we don't need to reference the same RFC in the same paragrapn, this would work: > NEW: While using the procedures described in this document, the reply mode is set to 5 (Reply via Specified Path), and Reply Path TLV is included in the echo request message as described in [RFC7110]. The Reply Path TLV is constructed as per Section 4.2 of RFC7110. /Loa On 2021-12-13 17:20, Dhruv Dhody wrote: > Hi Shraddha, > > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:07 PM Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net > <mailto:shraddha@juniper.net>> wrote: > > Dhruv,____ > > __ __ > > “While using the procedures described in this document, the Reply > via Specified Path mode requested MUST be used”____ > > __ __ > > Does the above statement sound like what you would be ok with?____ > > Or you are suggesting there shouldn’t be any normative statement > here?____ > > __ > > > IMHO it is a good practice to avoid normative MUST when > restating procedures from existing RFCs. My recommendation would be - > > OLD: > While using the procedures described in this document, the > reply mode MUST be set to 5 and Return Path TLV MUST be included in > the echo request message. The procedures decribed in [RFC7110] are > applicable for constructing the Return Path TLV. > > NEW: > While using the procedures described in this document, the > reply mode is set to 5 (Reply via Specified Path), and Reply Path > TLV is included in the echo request message as described in > [RFC7110]. The Reply Path TLV is constructed as per Section 4.2 of > [RFC7110]. > > END > > Thanks, > Dhruv > > __ > > Rgds____ > > Shraddha____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > Juniper Business Use Only____ > > *From:* Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com > <mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>> > *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021 11:00 AM > *To:* Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net > <mailto:shraddha@juniper.net>> > *Cc:* Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu <mailto:loa@pi.nu>>; mpls@ietf.org > <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>; > draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam@ietf.org > <mailto:draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam@ietf.org>; > mpls-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on > draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam____ > > __ __ > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]____* > > __ __ > > Hi Shraddha, ____ > > __ __ > > Thanks for considering my comments. Snipping to the only open point > - ____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > Section 3 ____ > > o This text ____ > > § While using the procedures described in this > document, the reply mode MUST be set to 5 and Return Path TLV > MUST be included in the echo request message.____ > > ____ > > § This is coming from 7110, thus it is better to > refer to it and not state it as a new text with normative MUST > in this I-D. This needs fixing at multiple places.____ > > <SH> That is correct but the Reply Path TLV is optional. This > document suggests that while using procedures in this document > its a MUST.____ > > Other MUSTs in the document appear specific to this > document and not specified in RFC 7110. Let me know if I missed > any.____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > RFC 7110 says - ____ > > __ __ > > The Reply Path (RP) TLV is an optional TLV within the LSP ping____ > > protocol. However, if the Reply via Specified Path mode requested, > as described in Section 4.1, the Reply Path (RP) TLV MUST be > included > in an echo request message, and its absence is treated as a > malformed > echo request, as described in [RFC4379]. ____ > > __ __ > > So the TLV is already a MUST as per 7110 and not a new thing defined > in this I-D. Or am I missing something? ____ > > __ __ > > Thanks! ____ > > Dhruv____ > > __ __ > > Juniper Business Use Only____ > > *From:* Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com > <mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 1, 2021 10:24 PM > *To:* Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu <mailto:loa@pi.nu>> > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>; > draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam@ietf.org > <mailto:draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam@ietf.org>; > mpls-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on > draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam____ > > ____ > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]*____ > > ____ > > Hi Loa, WG, ____ > > I support the adoption.____ > > I have some comments that can be handled now or post-adoption.____ > > * I find the use of term domain to mean just the IGP area (see > abstract and section 1.1) to be an issue. The title of the > document says inter-domain BTW. My suggestion would be to > keep the term "domain" as a generic term and have a > sub-section for inter-AS and inter-area.____ > * Section 3____ > > o This text____ > > + /While using the procedures described in this > document, the reply mode MUST be set to 5 and Return > Path TLV MUST be included in the echo request > message./____ > + This is coming from 7110, thus it is better to refer > to it and not state it as a new text with normative > MUST in this I-D. This needs fixing at multiple > places.____ > + Also, add “Reply via Specified Path” as the meaning > for reply mode 5.____ > > * Section 4____ > > o Type 1,3,4 and the Type in the sub-TLV which when > assigned by IANA (will be of different values) is bound > to be a source of confusion.____ > o I was not able to locate the registry “Sub-TLV Target > FEC stack TLV”, should this be “Sub-TLVs for TLV Types > 1, 16, and 21” instead?____ > o This text for RESERVED____ > > + /SHOULD be unset on transmission and MUST be ignored > on receipt./____ > + This is quite unusual. Why SHOULD? Why "unset"? I > suggest changing it to “Reserved (MBZ)” with “MUST > be set to zero when sending; MUST be ignored on > receipt.”____ > > o Add references for the meaning of the fields Label, TC, > S, TTL.____ > o This text for SR Algorithm____ > > + /When A-Flag is not encoded, this field SHOULD be > unset on transmission and MUST be ignored on > receipt./____ > + It could be better worded as when A-flag is unset, > this field has no meaning and thus MUST be set to > zero on transmission and ignored on receipt.____ > > o This text for Segment Flags____ > > + /The Segment Types described above MAY contain > following flags in the “Flags” field…/____ > + MAY is incorrect! It is not an optional field. Do > you mean to suggest that someone may not understand > the meaning of the flag instead?____ > > o Section 8____ > > + Avoid assigning a value (6,7) for the new reply path > return code, leave that for IANA. This is also > missing in the IANA section.____ > > o Suggestion: Consider moving examples to the appendix to > simplify the core of the I-D.____ > > > Nits____ > > * Fix Nits - > https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam-04.txt > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=https:**Awww.ietf.org*archive*id*draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam-04.txt__;Ly8vLy8!!NEt6yMaO-gk!Rv2gb2m4mE5CZFSipcU1qBgXQqxAZMjvaaM1LBwq6R-6iX_gzTw8AN9rTYds7LWf$>____ > * Expand on first use____ > > o PMS____ > o LSP____ > o BGP-LU____ > o OAM____ > o SRGB____ > o LFIB____ > o BGP-LS____ > > * Use updated Requirement Language as per RFC 8174____ > * s/ip/IP/g____ > * Suggestion: Consider using SR-MPLS instead of SR for clarity > throughout the document!____ > * s/mpls/MPLS/____ > * s/Pure/pure/____ > * s/Section Section 4.4/Section 4.4/g____ > * s/Return path TLV/Reply Path (RP) TLV/g____ > * s/RFC 4379/[RFC4379]/____ > > Thanks! > Dhruv____ > > ____ > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 2:29 PM Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu > <mailto:loa@pi.nu>> wrote:____ > > Working Group, > > This is to start a two week poll on adopting > > draft-ninan-mpls-spring-inter-domain-oam > > as a MPLS working group document. > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls > working > group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>). > Please give a technical > motivation for your support/not support, especially if you > think that > the document should not be adopted as a working group document. > > There is one IPR disclosure against this document. The data > tracker says > that there are 2 disclosure, but that depends on that the > IPR holder > updated the disclosure when the filename of the was changed. > > All the authors and contributors have stated on the MPLS wg > mailing list > that they are unaware of any other IPRs that relates to this > document. > > The working group adoption poll ends November 30, 2021. > > /Loa > -- > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > <mailto:loa@pi.nu> > Senior MPLS Expert loa.pi.nu@gmail.com > <mailto:loa.pi.nu@gmail.com> > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!Rv2gb2m4mE5CZFSipcU1qBgXQqxAZMjvaaM1LBwq6R-6iX_gzTw8AN9rTfpohOUd$>____ > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert loa.pi.nu@gmail.com Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64
- [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-ninan… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Shraddha Hegde
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Samson
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Mukul Srivastava
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Ron Bonica
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Srihari Sangli
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Lizhenbin
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Shraddha Hegde
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Shraddha Hegde
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… bruno.decraene
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Dhruv Dhody
- [mpls] Closed working group adoption poll on draf… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Shraddha Hegde
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… bruno.decraene
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Shraddha Hegde
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Dhruv Dhody
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Shraddha Hegde
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Dhruv Dhody
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] working group adoption poll on draft-n… Shraddha Hegde