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[73.93.167.4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d2e1a72fcca58-719090c1b2dsm695270b3a.185.2024.09.09.23.30.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Sep 2024 23:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Tony Li From: Tony Li Message-Id: <63C1F4CE-3437-4A53-8196-93C00E5FBE6F@tony.li> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DB6B3A33-D09B-4FB3-8125-47D44574BDB6" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51\)) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 23:30:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20240910141950285thZInxELPhbnFSBkdgXlH@zte.com.cn> To: "xiao. min2" References: <20240909084747863DD6L3jyLtJvvqYF9jzk2r@zte.com.cn,202409101055422722ZzIyzcS1_YTa9i7ADtDb@zte.com.cn,0845429C-00A4-49E9-8A77-B03DFBFD5F95@tony.li> <20240910141950285thZInxELPhbnFSBkdgXlH@zte.com.cn> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51) Message-ID-Hash: CKVIDZNKQ4E5K4HQNBVA7K3HEVY6AA42 X-Message-ID-Hash: CKVIDZNKQ4E5K4HQNBVA7K3HEVY6AA42 X-MailFrom: tony1athome@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-mpls.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The IESG , draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation , mpls-chairs , mpls , tsaad@cisco.com X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc4 Precedence: list Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5Bmpls=5D_Re=3A_John_Scudder=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-mpls-inban?= =?utf-8?q?d-pm-encapsulation-15=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT=29?= List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Apple-Mail=_DB6B3A33-D09B-4FB3-8125-47D44574BDB6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Xiao Min, I did not understand the proposal was to remove the text about moving to = Historic status. Thus, I was expecting something more like: >> Note that in parallel to the work of this document, there is ongoing = work on MPLS Network Actions (MNA) [RFC9613]. The MPLS performance = measurement with the Alternate-Marking method can also be achieved by = MNA encapsulation. In addition, MNA will provide a broader use case = applicability. That means the MNA encapsulation will provide an = alternative, more advanced solution, when published as an RFC and it is = agreed that this document will be made Historic at that time. Regards, Tony > On Sep 9, 2024, at 11:19=E2=80=AFPM, - xiao.min2 at zte.com.cn = wrote: >=20 > Hi Tony, >=20 >=20 >=20 > Could you please provide the text you expected? Or remain the current = text as is? >=20 >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Xiao Min >=20 > Original > From: TonyLi > To: =E8=82=96=E6=95=8F10093570; > Cc: James Guichard ;Greg Mirsky = ;The IESG = ;draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation = ;mpls-chairs = ;mpls ;tsaad@cisco.com = ; > Date: 2024=E5=B9=B409=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 14:04 > Subject: Re: [mpls] John Scudder's Discuss on = draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >=20 > Ok, this is NOT the result that I was expecing and I=E2=80=99m sorry, = but I=E2=80=99m not on board with this. >=20 > T >=20 >=20 >> On Sep 9, 2024, at 7:55=E2=80=AFPM, - xiao.min2 at zte.com.cn = wrote: >>=20 >> Dear Jim, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> By using the text suggested by Deborah, with some small tweaks, the = proposed changes are as below. >>=20 >> OLD >>=20 >> Note that in parallel to the work of this document, there is ongoing = work on MPLS Network Actions (MNA) [I-D.ietf-mpls-mna-fwk = ]. = Considering the MPLS performance measurement with the Alternate-Marking = method can also be achieved by MNA encapsulation, it is agreed that this = document will be made Historic once the MNA solution of performance = measurement with the Alternate-Marking method is published as an RFC.=C2=B6= = >>=20 >>=20 >> NEW >>=20 >> Note that in parallel to the work of this document, there is ongoing = work on MPLS Network Actions (MNA) [RFC9613]. The MPLS performance = measurement with the Alternate-Marking method can also be achieved by = MNA encapsulation. In addition, MNA will provide a broader use case = applicability. That means the MNA encapsulation will provide an = alternative, more advanced solution, when published as an RFC.=C2=B6 = >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Best Regards, >>=20 >> Xiao Min >>=20 >=20 > From: JamesGuichard > > To: Greg Mirsky >;Tony Li >; > Cc: The IESG >;draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation = >;mpls-chairs = >;mpls >;tsaad@cisco.com = >; > Date: 2024=E5=B9=B409=E6=9C=8809=E6=97=A5 23:13 > Subject: Re: [mpls] Re: John Scudder's Discuss on = draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > Dear authors, > =20 > Could you please provide the text you are planning to add to the = document so that everyone is on the same page. I believe that I = understand what will change but I would like to see the actual text. > =20 > Thanks! > =20 > Jim > =20 > From: James Guichard > > Date: Monday, September 9, 2024 at 11:00 AM > To: Greg Mirsky >, Tony Li > > Cc: The IESG >, = draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation = >, mpls-chairs = >, mpls = >, tsaad@cisco.com = > > Subject: Re: [mpls] Re: John Scudder's Discuss on = draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >=20 > =20 > Suggest: > can also be achieved by MNA encapsulation, it is agreed .will be made = Historic/s/can also be achieved by MNA encapsulation and, in addition, = MNA will provide a broader use case applicability. The MNA encapsulation = will provide an alternative, more advanced solution, when published as = an RFC. > [XM]>>> The text you suggested looks good to me. As an editor of this = document, I'll let the ADs and MPLS WG chairs to comment before using = your text in the next revision.=20 > =20 > =20 > I=E2=80=99m not sure I can precisely follow the notation that you=E2=80=99= ve used, but I understand your intent and have no issue with it. =20 > =20 > Jim> I also have no issue with it. I am comfortable with the = explanation provided by the chairs in response to my query during my AD = review.=20 > =20 > Jim > =20 > Tony > MPLS co-chair > Document shepherd > =20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list -- mpls@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mpls-leave@ietf.org = >=20 --Apple-Mail=_DB6B3A33-D09B-4FB3-8125-47D44574BDB6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Hi Xiao Min,

I did = not understand the proposal was to remove the text about moving to = Historic status.  Thus, I was expecting something more = like:

Note that in = parallel to the work of this document, there is ongoing work on MPLS = Network Actions (MNA) [RFC9613]. The MPLS performance measurement with the = Alternate-Marking method can also be achieved by MNA encapsulation. In = addition, MNA will provide a broader use case applicability. That means = the MNA encapsulation will provide an alternative, more advanced = solution, when published as an RFC and it is agreed that this document = will be made Historic at that = time.

Regards,
Tony


On Sep 9, 2024, at 11:19=E2=80=AFPM, - = xiao.min2 at zte.com.cn <mailforwards@cloudmails.net> = wrote:

Hi Tony,


Could you please provide the text you expected? Or = remain the current text as is?

Cheers,

Xiao Min

Original
From: TonyLi = <tony.li@tony.li>
To: =E8=82=96=E6=95=8F10093570;
Cc: James = Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>;Greg Mirsky = <gregimirsky@gmail.com>;The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>;draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation = <draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation@ietf.org>;mpls-chairs = <mpls-chairs@ietf.org>;mpls <mpls@ietf.org>;tsaad@cisco.com = <tsaad@cisco.com>;
Date: 2024=E5=B9=B409=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 = 14:04
Subject: Re: [mpls] John Scudder's Discuss on = draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-15: (with DISCUSS and = COMMENT)

Ok, this is NOT the result that = I was expecing and I=E2=80=99m sorry, but I=E2=80=99m not on board with = this.

T


On Sep 9, 2024, at 7:55=E2=80=AFPM, - xiao.min2 at = zte.com.cn <mailforwards@cloudmails.net> wrote:

Dear = Jim,


By using the text suggested = by Deborah, with some small tweaks, the proposed changes are as = below.

OLD

Note that in parallel to the work of this = document, there is ongoing work on MPLS Network Actions (MNA) [I-D.ietf-mpls-mna-fwk]. Considering the = MPLS performance measurement with the Alternate-Marking method can also = be achieved by MNA encapsulation, it is agreed that this document will = be made Historic once the MNA solution of performance measurement with = the Alternate-Marking method is published as an RFC.=C2=B6


NEW

Note that in = parallel to the work of this document, there is ongoing work on MPLS = Network Actions (MNA) [RFC9613]. The MPLS performance measurement with the = Alternate-Marking method can also be achieved by MNA encapsulation. In = addition, MNA will provide a broader use case applicability. That means = the MNA encapsulation will provide an alternative, more advanced = solution, when published as an RFC.=C2=B6



Best = Regards,

Xiao = Min


From: JamesGuichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.= com>
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>;Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li>;
= Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>;draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation <draft-iet= f-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation@ietf.org>;mpls-chairs <mpls-chairs@ietf.org>;<= span style=3D"display: inline;" class=3D"zreadUserName">mpls <mpls@ietf.org>;tsaad@cisco.com <tsaad@cisco.com>;
= Date: 2024=E5=B9=B409=E6=9C=8809=E6=97=A5 = 23:13
Subject: Re: [mpls] Re: John Scudder's Discuss on = draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-15: (with DISCUSS and = COMMENT)
Dear authors,

 

Could = you please provide the text you are planning to add to the document so = that everyone is on the same page. I believe that I understand what will = change but I would like to see the actual text.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim

 

From: James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.= com>
Date: Monday, September = 9, 2024 at 11:00 AM
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>, = Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li>
Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, = draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation <draft-iet= f-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation@ietf.org>, mpls-chairs <mpls-chairs@ietf.org>, mpls = <mpls@ietf.org>, tsaad@cisco.com <tsaad@cisco.com>
Subject= : Re: [mpls] = Re: John Scudder's Discuss on = draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-15: (with DISCUSS and = COMMENT)

 

Suggest:
can also be achieved = by MNA encapsulation, it is agreed .will be made Historic/s/can also be = achieved by MNA encapsulation and, in addition, MNA will provide a = broader use case applicability. The MNA encapsulation will provide an = alternative, more advanced solution, when published as an = RFC.
[XM]>>> The text you suggested = looks good to me. As an editor of this document, I'll let the ADs and = MPLS WG chairs to comment before using your text in the next = revision. 

 

 

I=E2=80=99m not sure I can = precisely follow the notation that you=E2=80=99ve used, but I understand = your intent and have no issue with it.  

 

Jim> I also have no issue with it. I am comfortable with the = explanation provided by the chairs in response to my query during my AD = review. 

 

Jim

 

Tony
MPLS = co-chair
Document shepherd

 

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