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Are we sure that the IPR filed against RFC6790 is not of such generality =
that it also applies to this work? The patent claim text certainly seems =
quite general.

I know that the WG is sensitive to IPR on MNA as it previously rejected =
a solution based on it being encumbered by IPR, making this is an =
important point to consider.

Best regards

Stewart

> On 30 Sep 2024, at 13:49, N.Leymann@telekom.de wrote:
>=20
> Hi Working Group and authors,
> =20
> This email initiates an IPR poll draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy in =
anticipation of its Working Group adoption poll.
> =20
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?
> Please state either:
> "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
> or
> "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"
> =20
> If your answer is yes, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with =
IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?
> Please state either:
> "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
> or
> "No, the IPR has not been disclosed"
> =20
> If your answer no, please provide any additional details you think =
appropriate.
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer =
the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you =
are aware of any relevant IPR.
> =20
> **The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.**
> =20
> This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has =
been received from each author.
> Note, currently there is no IPR disclosure listed against this =
document.
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listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations =
under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you =
are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from =
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your =
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above =
and =
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.
> =20
> The authors/contributors that we expect responses from are:
> Tony Li
> John Drake
> =20
> Regards
> =20
> Nic (for the MPLS chairs)
> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Are we sure =
that the IPR filed against RFC6790 is not of such generality that it =
also applies to this work? The patent claim text certainly seems quite =
general.<div><br></div><div>I know that the WG is sensitive to IPR on =
MNA as it previously rejected a solution based on it being encumbered by =
IPR, making this is an important point to =
consider.</div><div><br></div><div>Best =
regards</div><div><br></div><div>Stewart<br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On 30 Sep 2024, at 13:49, N.Leymann@telekom.de =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8"><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; =
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Hi Working =
Group and authors,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div=
 style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
12pt;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">This email =
initiates an IPR poll draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy in anticipation of its =
Working Group adoption poll.</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the =
draft identified above?</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Please state either:</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to =
this draft"</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
12pt;">or</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">"Yes, I'm =
aware of IPR that applies to this draft"</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">If your answer is yes, has this IPR been =
disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and =
8179 for more details)?</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Please state either:</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in =
compliance with IETF IPR rules"</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">or</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">"No, the IPR has not been =
disclosed"</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
12pt;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">If your =
answer no, please provide any additional details you think =
appropriate.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">If you are =
listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by =
responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of =
any relevant IPR.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
12pt;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">**The =
response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.**</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">This document will not advance to the next =
stage until a response has been received from each author.</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Note, currently there is no IPR disclosure =
listed against this document.</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">If you are on the WG email list or attend WG =
meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you =
of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to =
notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF =
contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or =
discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please =
see the RFCs listed above and<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProper=
ty" style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: =
underline;">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPr=
operty</a>.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
12pt;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">The authors/contributors that we expect =
responses from are:<o:p></o:p></span></div><ul type=3D"disc" =
style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;"><li =
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Tony Li<o:p></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">John Drake<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
12pt;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
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sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
12pt;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Nic (for the MPLS chairs)</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
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