Re: [mpls] Alia Atlas' Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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Hi Greg,

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:01 AM, Greg Mirsky <> wrote:

> Hi Alia,
> thank you for your thorough review and the comments. Please find my
> responses in-line tagged GIM>>.
> Regards,
> Greg
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Alia Atlas <> wrote:
>> Alia Atlas has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-14: Discuss
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>> Thank you for a clear document.  I think that this should be a
>> straightforward Discuss to better clarify.
>> In Section 4.8.1, it says "The RTM Set sub-object contains an ordered
>> list, from egress node to
>>    ingress node, of the RTM capable nodes along the LSP's path." but the
>> sub-TLVs (as most clearly
>> indicated by "  Unnumbered Interface Sub-TLV" are actually meant
>> to be a list of interfaces.
> GIM>> I think that the text, e.g. by stating "The Length is always 12" and
> the Figure 10 are clear that only one interface can be listed in the
> sub-TLV.
> And the same is true for other sub-TLVs.

The draft says"Only a single RTM_SET  sub-TLV with the given Value field
MUST be present in the RTM_SET   TLV.  If more than one sub-TLV is found
the LSP setup MUST fail"

There is nothing there that clearly states that only one of the 3 sub-TLVs
should be place in the RTM_SET TLV for a particular node.  There is also
the inaccuracy between putting in interface addresses versus the claim that
it contains nodes.

For instance, text could be added/changed to indicate:

"The RTM_SET TLV is intended to include the subset of the RRO Object that
represents those egress interfaces on the LSP that are RTM-capable.  After
a node chooses an egress interface to use in the RRO sub-TLV, that same
egress interface, if RTM-capable,  SHOULD be placed into the RTM_SET TLV
using one of the IPv4 sub-TLV, IPv6 sub-TLV, or Unnumbered Interface
sub-TLV.  The address family chosen SHOULD match that of the RESV message
and that used in the RRO; the unnumbered interface sub-TLV is used when the
egress interface has no assigned IP address.  A node MUST NOT place more
sub-TLVs in the RTM_SET TLV than the number of RTM-capable egress
interfaces the LSP traverses that are under that node's control."

It isn't clear whether these are supposed to be the egress interface, the
>> ingress interface, or just any
>> interface
> GIM>> In order for the process described in section 4.8 to work RTM node
> MUST use the same ID in RTM_SET sub-TLV as in RRO subobject.

Right - but I don't see the draft saying that clearly.  See my suggested
text above.

> - or why sending just a Router ID wouldn't be sufficient.
>> There is no indication as to whether
>> it is ok to include both the IPv4 and IPv6 address Sub-TLVs for the same
>> node or how to select which one
>> to use.
> GIM>> Selection should follow election of ID for corresponding subobject
> in RRO.

Agreed - see suggested text.

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 1) I am disappointed that the sub-TLV needed for an OSPFv3 Extended LSA
>> isn't defined.  While I understand that a normative reference isn't
>> desirable - instead of "left for future study", it would be better to say
>> that the sub-TLV should use the same format as in Sec 4.3 and that the
>> type allocation and full details are left to a future document.   This is
>> exactly how gaps are created for networks running only IPv6.   If
>> draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-13 were not waiting for implementations
>> and had a clear time-frame for how and when to progress, this would also
>> be a Discuss.
> GIM>> I agree that your proposal narrows the gap for IPv6 extension for
> RTM capability advertisement. Will apply the text you've suggested in the
> next version. Hope OSPF WG agrees to this change.