[mpls] Re: John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li> Tue, 10 September 2024 13:44 UTC
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Subject: [mpls] Re: John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Stewart, > I am not sure I understand the need to say anything about anticipated obsolescence of the protocol. > > Once it is released in the wild it will have a life of its own determined by the needs of the operators. If they want to keep using it they will and we should not prevent them. As a method it is harmless and by using an ESPL it does not take any critical resources. > > It is very rare that we actively obsolete anything like this unless it is actually harmful, or blocks some other more valuable method, neither of which apply here. > > So why are we actively promoting the obsolescence of this technique rather than letting the market decide which is our normal approach? Because the WG is potentially generating two approaches to doing the same function in a relatively short time. Many concerns were expressed about the confusion that it would create. Some wanted this document to not be published. The authors of this draft very much wanted it to be published (as PS) because of their existing deployments. This compromise was the way of respecting all parties. I’ve heard compromises described as deals where everyone walks away unhappy. If we want the IETF to be a place where compromise and statesmanship are the norm, then we have to accept the fact that compromise will lead to outcomes that we don’t care for. The alternative is that every topic polarizes us, we sit and argue endlessly, and no progress is made. T
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- [mpls] Re: John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-m… Tony Li
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- [mpls] Re: John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-m… Tony Li
- [mpls] Re: John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-m… James Guichard
- [mpls] Re: John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-m… Stewart Bryant
- [mpls] Re: John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-m… Tony Li
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