Re: [mpls] Open DT agenda for 2021-08-12 updated

Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> Wed, 18 August 2021 10:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [mpls] Open DT agenda for 2021-08-12 updated
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Open DT, Kireeti, and Haoyu,

I agree with Kireeti, bot "services" or "applications" are too limited, 
apart from that they are overloaded.

I suggest that we stay with: MPLS Indicators and Auxiliary Data (MIAD)

/Loa

On 17/08/2021 19:12, Kireeti Kompella wrote:
> We don’t want to limit this discussion to either services or 
> applications.  NFFRR, for example, is neither.  Nor is fragmentation, as 
> I understand it.  Data is broad, yes, but let’s keep this discussion 
> broad — we do lots of things with SPLs and with meta/auxiliary/ancillary 
> data.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kireeti.
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2021, at 07:43, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Aug 2021, at 20:25, Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com 
>>> <mailto:haoyu.song@futurewei.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> MPLS ODT,
>>>
>>> There are some discussion on the chat box during the meeting. I 
>>> suggest to change the project name to MIAS in which S stands for 
>>> "service" so the ambiguity of  "data" can be avoided. In essence, we 
>>> are taking about how to support new services in MPLS which can be 
>>> indicated by either labels or extra headers.
>>
>> MPLS traditionally uses the term application rather than service.
>>
>> Stewart
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Haoyu
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org>> On 
>>> Behalf Of Loa Andersson
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:25 AM
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>>> <mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>; DetNet Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.org 
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>>> Subject: [mpls] Open DT agenda for 2021-08-12 updated
>>>
>>> MPLS Open DT,
>>>
>>> We have updated the agenda for the MPLS Open DT meeting 2021-08-12.
>>>
>>> Please find it at:
>>>
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>>>
>>> /Loa
>>>
>>> PS
>>>
>>> If I find the time I will make a further update for agenda item #4, 
>>> the text for ancillary data. Otherwise that will be an agenda item 
>>> next meeting.
>>> --
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