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[mpls] Re: Poll: IOAM and PSD

Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> Tue, 27 August 2024 22:00 UTC

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From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2024 14:59:57 -0700
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Subject: [mpls] Re: Poll: IOAM and PSD
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Hi Loa,
Can you kindly point me to a study that demonstrates that PSD MNA generated
"great interest" compared to significant concerns about the ramifications
of its deployment in the existing MPLS networks?

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 2:31 AM Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

> Tony,
>
> We are not asking you to adopt the documents (draft-jags-mplsps-mna-hdr and
> draft-gandhi-mpls-mna-ioam-dex) just because of the great interest in
> the poll,
> we are asking you to start the WGAP process, based on the great interest
> shown
> by the poll.
>
> /Loa
>
> PS
>
> As a matter of fact the chair can adopt a document without a poll, that has
> happened a couple of times in the life time of the wg. I neither request
> that or
> recommend it in this case.
>
> Den 27/08/2024 kl. 14:57, skrev Tony Li:
> > Loa,
> >
> > Calling consensus without actually polling the group could very easily
> be incorrect.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 26, 2024, at 11:50 PM, Loa Andersson - loa at pi.nu <
> mailforwards@cloudmails.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Tony,
> >>
> >> It would be hard to imagine consensus without interest, however with
> the strong interest documented in the poll it would be easy to call
> consensus.
> >>
> >> /Loa
> >>
> >> Den 26/08/2024 kl. 22:26, skrev Tony Li:
> >>> Loa,
> >>>
> >>> Interest is not consensus.
> >>>
> >>> Tony
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 25, 2024, at 4:59 AM, Loa Andersson - loa at pi.nu <
> mailforwards@cloudmails.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Tony,
> >>>>
> >>>> It seem to me that the decision you are looking for are moot, the
> poll you started indicate a strong interest in implementing "the IOAM
> passport method with the Pre-allocated option defined in RFC 9197" and the
> "post card method with direct-export option" as described in RFC 9326. This
> can hardly be done without PSD.
> >>>>
> >>>> /Loa
> >>>>
> >>>> Den 19/08/2024 kl. 23:09, skrev Tony Li:
> >>>>> I am trying to make progress in a step-wise fashion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before doing a WGAP on that document, it would make sense for the WG
> to decide whether or not it needs a PSD solution.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Loa Andersson
> >>>> Senior MPLS Expert
> >>>> Bronze Dragon Consulting
> >>>> loa@pi.nu
> >>>> loa.pi.nu.@gmail.com
> >>>>
> >> --
> >> Loa Andersson
> >> Senior MPLS Expert
> >> Bronze Dragon Consulting
> >> loa@pi.nu
> >> loa.pi.nu.@gmail.com
> >>
>
> --
> Loa Andersson
> Senior MPLS Expert
> Bronze Dragon Consulting
> loa@pi.nu
> loa.pi.nu.@gmail.com
>
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