Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894A812D618; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.191 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.191 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w04DyScaoqOb; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usplmg21.ericsson.net (usplmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B762A12D774; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:25:38 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f79fa6d0000057a9-95-56ec4801b4a2 Received: from EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.84]) by usplmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id E6.BE.22441.1084CE65; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 19:25:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB105.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.122]) by EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:25:37 -0400 From: David Allan I To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'Ross Callon' , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHRe7lB57lSLFFx6Um0wB1zJIvyep9U1O4AgAq1gBA= Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 18:25:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: <064501d17bbc$49f36110$ddda2330$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <064501d17bbc$49f36110$ddda2330$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E6C17D2345AC7A45B7D054D407AA205C4B0EF43Aeusaamb105erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrCIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPiC6jx5swgylLlCx+9Nxgtlh3+RSb xa2lK1kt/q64wuLA4rFkyU8mj+tNV9k9VmxeyRjAHMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CV8W/WZuaCj22M FXPvWTYwbqnoYuTkkBAwkXj4ezkThC0mceHeerYuRi4OIYEjjBL7991nh3CWM0p8mvURrIpN wEBiz/8vjCC2iEC5xIvN65hBbGYBQ4mJE/eD2cICIRJ3961hh6gJlZj84yMrhG0l8brpLlic RUBV4tnBbWBxXgFfiacP/jNCLOtmlPi+Yj7YAk4Ba4kl37rAbEag876fWsMEsUxc4taT+VBn C0gs2XOeGcIWlXj5+B8rhK0kMef1Najj8iU6L6xiglgmKHFy5hOWCYyis5CMmoWkbBaSMoi4 jsSC3Z/YIGxtiWULXzPD2GcOPGZCFl/AyL6KkaO0uCAnN93IcBMjMO6OSbA57mDc2+t5iFGA g1GJh7dg+eswIdbEsuLK3EOMEhzMSiK8R93ehAnxpiRWVqUW5ccXleakFh9ilOZgURLn/fbx cpiQQHpiSWp2ampBahFMlomDU6qBsfr0eTndZzPnJCz8efPI9a9/BEwevm/9F2RhnT3z8tpn v5ckTZlwbbtp7qvaL3HumxfPaWoyWbX5W88N13rRr3uFfTbwflZ6crBVRz7jRGV9/asg9c6U jACpvUcERV26rJi7Gr4Ensxvjzp+tfR90tOtkp67lqa/6mfg4FjVd3bidPN5Nt1lR5VYijMS DbWYi4oTAeQpFz23AgAA Archived-At: Cc: "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 18:25:41 -0000 --_000_E6C17D2345AC7A45B7D054D407AA205C4B0EF43Aeusaamb105erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm Truth in advertising here; IMO my employer's policy is "disclose early, di= sclose often and license RAND" as good corporate citizens. The IPR in quest= ion was disclosed on the MPLS list in July of 2015 (I just checked the arc= hive). If there is a reasonable expectation of an unencumbered alternative then se= eking an alternative make sense, but the appropriate disclosure has been ou= t there for 9+ months, and no alternative would appear to be forthcoming. S= uddenly seeking one now seems to be just a bit counter productive.... So to me the only real question is "does the WG think this is a problem wor= th solving". I would think the answer to that is a self-evident "yes" My 2 cents Dave From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 9:35 AM To: 'Ross Callon'; mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed= -02.txt Ross, thanks for this notice. I need to read the IPR referenced by the disclosure, but pending that, I do= not support this document going forward in its current state. I think it is important for the working group to seek to develop solutions = that either completely unencumbered by IPR or that is available on free-to-= implementers terms. It may turn out that this is not possible with the disc= losed IPR, but I think the WG should try. For the avoidance of doubt: I am not making any comment on the IPR-holder's= rights to impose whatever license they want, and I am not asking them to v= ary their terms. I do not that it would be convenient if the IPR holder updated the disclosu= re to show that it applies to the current WG draft. Thanks, Adrian From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon Sent: 11 March 2016 17:13 To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02.= txt Working Group, This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-b= fd-directed-02.txt. Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). There is one IPR disclosure on draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-directed (which was the pre-working group version of draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed): https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2625/ All the authors have stated that they are not aware of any other IPR that r= elates to this draft. This working group last call will end at the end of the day Friday March 25= , 2016. As with any WGLC, working group participants are requested to read the docu= ment and comment. If you feel that the document is ready for publication it is a= ppropriate to respond to any WGLC with a short and simple email indicating support. Ross for the MPLS WG chairs --_000_E6C17D2345AC7A45B7D054D407AA205C4B0EF43Aeusaamb105erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hmmm

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Truth in advertising here= ; IMO my employer’s  policy is “disclose early, di= sclose often and license RAND” as good corporate citizens. The IPR in= question was disclosed on the MPLS  list in July of 2015 (I just chec= ked the archive).

 <= /p>

If there is a reasonable = expectation of an unencumbered alternative then seeking an alternative make= sense, but the appropriate disclosure has been out there for 9+ months, and no alternative would appear to be forthcoming. Sudd= enly seeking one now seems to be just a bit counter productive….=

 <= /p>

So to me the only real qu= estion is “does the WG think this is a problem worth solving”. = I would think the answer to that is a self-evident “yes”

 <= /p>

My 2 cents

Dave

 <= /p>

From: mpls [ma= ilto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 9:35 AM
To: 'Ross Callon'; mpls@ietf.org
Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-d= irected-02.txt

 

Ross, than= ks for this notice.

 = ;

I need to = read the IPR referenced by the disclosure, but pending that, I do not suppo= rt this document going forward in its current state.

 = ;

I think it= is important for the working group to seek to develop solutions that eithe= r completely unencumbered by IPR or that is available on free-to-implemente= rs terms. It may turn out that this is not possible with the disclosed IPR, b= ut I think the WG should try.

 = ;

For the av= oidance of doubt: I am not making any comment on the IPR-holder's rights to= impose whatever license they want, and I am not asking them to vary their terms.

 = ;

I do not t= hat it would be convenient if the IPR holder updated the disclosure to show= that it applies to the current WG draft.

 = ;

Thanks,

Adrian

 = ;

From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon
Sent: 11 March 2016 17:13
To: mpls@ietf.org
Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org=
Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-direc= ted-02.txt

 

Working Group,

 

This is to initiate a two week working = group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02.txt.

 

Please send your comments to the mpls w= g mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

 

There is one IPR disclosure on draft-mi= rsky-mpls-bfd-directed

(which was the pre-working group versio= n of draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed):

https://datatracker.ietf.org/i= pr/2625/  

All the authors have stated that they a= re not aware of any other IPR that relates to this

draft.

 

This working group last call will end a= t the end of the day Friday March 25, 2016. 

 

As with any WGLC, working group partici= pants are requested to read the document

and comment. If you feel that the docum= ent is ready for publication it is appropriate to

respond to any WGLC with a short and si= mple email indicating support.

 

Ross

for the MPLS WG chairs

 

 

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