[mpls] Re: Request WG adoption for draft-jags-mpls-ps-mna-hdr-03.txt

Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Wed, 26 June 2024 19:35 UTC

Return-Path: <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1C5C14F604; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.105
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.105 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RFtjhg32iQMG; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 12:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 607C9C14E513; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 12:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4W8X3J2HVLz1pW61; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 12:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1719430508; bh=0y/6z+yWInOCxGCsmv6WE3fp921ea5sbxaAvzr2Hbnc=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=aYVMoKzaZiPEBI178lCo/gJbwPqxBpmdPRSlnQ2TTz09+YPLkgaWrjF20H83uER9c Rvzd2jZ1IBKJHOO9EszuaBkEq005N8pkrh6pkvpTmD1QYcqe/WcjLVOQyyqaYfIZpD 759rtnn9xMQXq3icXtCFouu+F90CM1HYJ1kApI7s=
X-Quarantine-ID: <dNbGAWFmFaCs>
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net
Received: from [192.168.22.41] (unknown [50.233.136.230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4W8X3H5fDHz1psD7; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 12:35:06 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <7c285cf9-8f6c-4a57-b340-77e0772bef9b@joelhalpern.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 15:35:05 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, mpls <mpls@ietf.org>, "draft-jags-mpls-ps-mna-hdr@ietf.org" <draft-jags-mpls-ps-mna-hdr@ietf.org>
References: <MN2PR11MB4064044709C9B25C7A7C39DBD0D62@MN2PR11MB4064.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <20fade0a-e70a-4e62-a9d3-504e29940843@pi.nu>
Content-Language: en-US
From: Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
In-Reply-To: <20fade0a-e70a-4e62-a9d3-504e29940843@pi.nu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Message-ID-Hash: LDX2TFJ3T5AIW52EFGWXFNY4R3OAOA74
X-Message-ID-Hash: LDX2TFJ3T5AIW52EFGWXFNY4R3OAOA74
X-MailFrom: jmh@joelhalpern.com
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-mpls.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc4
Precedence: list
Subject: [mpls] Re: Request WG adoption for draft-jags-mpls-ps-mna-hdr-03.txt
List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.ietf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/mpls/rK3eS9Q9RguQ35uF4ebgXYeXM1E>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/mpls>
List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:mpls-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:mpls-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:mpls-leave@ietf.org>

Loa, you list three bullet points with three different results. However, 
what has been shown so far seems to correspond to your first case, which 
you state does not justify two solutions. Adopting a post-stack data 
solution before we decide we are in case three, or in case 2 and feel 
the tradeoff is right, seems premature.   It may well be that the ps 
draft is the right starting point once we have agreed on the problems to 
be solved. Which is why I am trying to understand the motivations for 
Rakesh' iOAM dex draft.  (I do think we need to support IOAM DEX.)

Yours,

Joel

On 6/26/2024 3:30 PM, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Jags, authors, chairs, working group,
>
>
> I support making draft-jags-mpls-ps-mna-hdr a working group document.
>
> It has repeatedly been said by those who want ISD-solutions that 
> PSD-solutions ar not needed.
>
> I think this is a fundamentally flawed way of asking the question.
>
> - if we have a choice between two solutions and they are equally good
>   for all cases, then it makes sense to try to find consensus for 
> adopting
>   one of the solutions
> - if we have a choice between two solutions there both solutions "can 
> do" all
>   cases, but there one is significantly better for one set of cases 
> and the
>   other is significantly better for the remaining cases, we should 
> cases we
>    should seriously consider going for two solutions.
> - if we we have the a choice between two solutions there one can solve 
> part of
>   the cases and the other the remaining cases, the we need to go for two
>   solutions.
>
> /Loa
>
>
> Den 2024-06-26 kl. 04:50, skrev Jaganbabu Rajamanickam (jrajaman):
>>
>> Hello Chairs,
>>
>>    We would like to request WG adoption for draft-jags-mpls-ps-mna-hdr.
>>
>>    Updated the draft with the initial review comments and the latest 
>> MNA header format.
>>
>>   Welcome your review comments and suggestions.
>>
>> Thanx,
>>
>> Jags
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> mpls mailing list -- mpls@ietf.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to mpls-leave@ietf.org
>