Return-Path: <stbryant@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: mpls@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: mpls@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix)
 with ESMTP id BD4213A695E for <mpls@core3.amsl.com>;
 Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:24:00 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -10.537
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.537 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.061,
 BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com
 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DXVmt3Sm0+T6 for
 <mpls@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:23:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149])
 by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FF73A6A02 for <mpls@ietf.org>;
 Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:23:49 -0700 (PDT)
Authentication-Results: rtp-iport-2.cisco.com;
 dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgcFAKOITkxAZnwM/2dsb2JhbACBRJ4icaYuggcLAZk2hTYEiGo
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="4.55,268,1278288000"; d="scan'208,217";
 a="139789679"
Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com
 with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2010 14:24:04 +0000
Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by
 rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o6REO4qe004097 for
 <mpls@ietf.org>; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:24:04 GMT
Received: from dhcp-24f9.meeting.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cisco.com
 (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id o6REO2609450;
 Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:24:03 +0100 (BST)
Message-ID: <4C4EEC02.2040202@cisco.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:24:02 +0100
From: Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US;
 rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100713 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: mpls@ietf.org
References: <02ac01cb2d87$a1c83ac0$c7728182@china.huawei.com>	<5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB3331639844EED6E7@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net>	<034201cb2d8f$25cd0ec0$c7728182@china.huawei.com>
 <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB3331639844EED714@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net>
In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB3331639844EED714@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="------------040801090106080901090608"
Subject: Re: [mpls] entropy label indicator label
 indraft-kompella-mpls-entropy-label
X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com
List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>,
 <mailto:mpls-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mpls>
List-Post: <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>,
 <mailto:mpls-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:24:01 -0000

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------040801090106080901090608
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

  John

Why do you prefer to use an ELI as opposed to using a new set of FECs 
with the property that they are followed by an EL?

Stewart


On 27/07/2010 14:31, John E Drake wrote:
>
> Lucy,
>
> Yes it does.  That is the whole point.  That is how the egress knows 
> whether the ingress has placed an entropy label in the stack.  (That 
> is why we termed it the 'Entropy Label Indicator'.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> *From:* Yong Lucy [mailto:lucyyong@huawei.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:25 AM
> *To:* John E Drake; Kireeti Kompella; 'Shane Amante'; mpls@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: [mpls] entropy label indicator label 
> indraft-kompella-mpls-entropy-label
>
> What is the benefit for such control? Egress LSR does not use this value.
>
> Lucy
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:10 AM
> *To:* Yong Lucy; Kireeti Kompella; 'Shane Amante'; mpls@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: [mpls] entropy label indicator label 
> indraft-kompella-mpls-entropy-label
>
> Lucy, we discussed this and decided it was better to have the egress 
> control the values of the ELI it advertises.  Plus, getting a reserved 
> value would be difficult
>
> *From:* mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On 
> Behalf Of *Yong Lucy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:31 AM
> *To:* Kireeti Kompella; 'Shane Amante'; mpls@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [mpls] entropy label indicator label in 
> draft-kompella-mpls-entropy-label
>
> Hi Kireeti and Shane,
>
> Could we consider use one of reserved label for ELI purpose? This will 
> make implementation much easy, i.e. not need to keep the state for 
> each ELI label. The approach can be used in general for RSVP-TE and 
> BGP as well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lucy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mpls mailing list
> mpls@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls


-- 
For corporate legal information go to:

http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html



--------------040801090106080901090608
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
  <head>
    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
      http-equiv="Content-Type">
  </head>
  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
    John<br>
    <br>
    Why do you prefer to use an ELI as opposed to using a new set of
    FECs with the property that they are followed by an EL?<br>
    <br>
    Stewart<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 27/07/2010 14:31, John E Drake wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB3331639844EED714@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net"
      type="cite">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
        charset=ISO-8859-1">
      <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered
        medium)">
      <!--[if !mso]>
<style>
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style>
<![endif]-->
      <style>
<!--
 /* Font Definitions */
 @font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Tahoma;
	panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
 /* Style Definitions */
 p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:12.0pt;
	font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:blue;
	text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:purple;
	text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle17
	{mso-style-type:personal;
	font-family:"Courier New";
	color:windowtext;
	font-weight:normal;
	font-style:normal;
	text-decoration:none none;}
span.EmailStyle18
	{mso-style-type:personal;
	font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
	color:#1F497D;}
span.EmailStyle19
	{mso-style-type:personal;
	font-family:"Courier New";
	color:blue;
	font-weight:normal;
	font-style:normal;
	text-decoration:none none;}
span.EmailStyle20
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
	color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
	margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
-->
</style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
  <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
 </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">Lucy,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">Yes it does.&nbsp; That is the whole point.&nbsp; That is
            how the egress
            knows whether the ingress has placed an entropy label in the
            stack.&nbsp; (That is
            why we termed it the &#8216;Entropy Label Indicator&#8217;.) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <div style="border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt;
          border-style: none none none solid; border-color:
          -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color
          blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;">
          <div>
            <div style="border-right: medium none; border-width: 1pt
              medium medium; border-style: solid none none;
              border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color
              -moz-use-text-color; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
                    font-family:
                    &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;">From:</span></b><span
                  style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;"> Yong Lucy
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lucyyong@huawei.com">mailto:lucyyong@huawei.com</a>] <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:25 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> John E Drake; Kireeti Kompella; 'Shane
                  Amante'; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> RE: [mpls] entropy label indicator
                  label
                  indraft-kompella-mpls-entropy-label<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: &quot;Courier
              New&quot;; color: blue;">What is
              the benefit for such control? Egress LSR does not use this
              value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: &quot;Courier
              New&quot;; color: blue;">Lucy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: &quot;Courier
              New&quot;; color: blue;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
          <div style="border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt;
            border-style: none none none solid; border-color:
            -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color
            blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;">
            <div>
              <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"
                align="center">
                <hr size="2" align="center" width="100%">
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
                    font-family:
                    &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;">From:</span></b><span
                  style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;"> John E
                  Drake
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jdrake@juniper.net">mailto:jdrake@juniper.net</a>] <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:10 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Yong Lucy; Kireeti Kompella; 'Shane
                  Amante'; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> RE: [mpls] entropy label indicator
                  label
                  indraft-kompella-mpls-entropy-label</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
                color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Lucy, we discussed this and
                decided it was better to have the
                egress control the values of the ELI it advertises.&nbsp;
                Plus, getting a
                reserved value would be difficult<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
                color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
            <div style="border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt;
              border-style: none none none solid; border-color:
              -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color
              -moz-use-text-color blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;">
              <div>
                <div style="border-right: medium none; border-width: 1pt
                  medium medium; border-style: solid none none;
                  border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color
                  -moz-use-text-color; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
                        font-family:
                        &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;">From:</span></b><span
                      style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                      &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;">
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org">mpls-bounces@ietf.org</a>
                      [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Yong
                      Lucy<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:31 AM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Kireeti Kompella; 'Shane Amante';
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> [mpls] entropy label indicator
                      label in
                      draft-kompella-mpls-entropy-label<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                  &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Hi Kireeti and
                  Shane,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                  &quot;Courier New&quot;;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                  &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Could we consider
                  use one of reserved label for ELI purpose? This will
                  make implementation much
                  easy, i.e. not need to keep the state for each ELI
                  label. The approach can be
                  used in general for RSVP-TE and BGP as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                  &quot;Courier New&quot;;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                  &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                  &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Lucy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                  &quot;Courier New&quot;;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                  &quot;Courier New&quot;;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                  &quot;Courier New&quot;;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <pre wrap="">
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
_______________________________________________
mpls mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls</a>
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
For corporate legal information go to:

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html">http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html</a>

</pre>
  </body>
</html>

--------------040801090106080901090608--
