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Thread-Topic: Solicit Opinions on Definition of MPLS Global Label
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Hi Robin,

Since I did not get the chance to express my comment during the meeting, I'=
ll do over email.

<spring co-chair hat on>
SPRING/SR:
- is compliant with the MPLS architecture (RFC 3031)
              - in particular, in the control plane labels are locally allo=
cated and in the forwarding plane, labels (of global segments) are SWAPed
- does NOT need global/domain wide label
                - local segments uses local labels
                - global segments uses global index + local labels (aka SRG=
B)
- is not requesting the MPLS WG to work on global/domain wide label. (i.e. =
the debate is closed from the SPRING standpoint.). Obviously, the MPLS WG i=
s free to re-open the debate, but this is not a spring thing.
</spring co-chair hat on>

Based on this, some of your slides referring to "SR uses cases" seem a bit =
misleading. (I can't be more specific since during the meeting, I could see=
 the slides but could not comment, and now I can comment but can't see the =
slides as they are not online).

Thanks
-- Bruno

From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lizhenbin
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:27 PM
To: mpls@ietf.org
Subject: [mpls] Solicit Opinions on Definition of MPLS Global Label


Hi MPLSers,

As the development of MPLS technologies, many new label concepts beyond RFC=
3031 are proposed. And in segment routing MPLS label can be

allocated and flooded in the network which means the meaning of the lablel =
can be understood by all nodes in the network. It is totally different from

the label distribution behavior of LDP, RSVP-TE, and MP-BGP. From my point =
of view we need not argue if it is global label or global ID. In fact, the

possible persons who read the drafts of protocol extensions for segment rou=
ting which incorporate the label allocation may be confused that MPLS WG as

the base of MPLS work seems to have nothing with the work. But the challeng=
e of definition of global label truly exists which has been proposed in the=
 draft

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-mpls-global-label-usecases-03.txt. Hope yo=
u can refer to Section 4 of the draft.

The debates on MPLS global label have lasted for a long time. The opinions =
can be classified as following:

Opinion 1: Segment Routing has nothing with global label and please do not =
make it bother MPLS WG. But it seems a little hard to convince some MPLSers.

Opinion 2: The usecase truly exists. But the concept of global label is too=
 big. It is hard to allocate a label which is unique spanning multiple doma=
ins or

as IP address which is unique all over world since it is not a scalable way=
 or it is hard to achieve the goal. Then maybe it is a better way to narrow=
 the

scope to rename the global label as Domain-wide label, Network-wide label, =
etc.

Opinion 3: The global label can be kept to cover more label concepts which =
label behaviors in the control plane and forward plane are different form t=
he

traditional LDP/RSVP-TE/MP-BGP.



Since I could not get more time in my presentation to collect your opinions=
, if convenient please help feedback your opinion in your mailing list. Hop=
e through

the discussion we can make some consensus.







Best Regards,

Zhenbin(Robin)



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
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nsi-language:EN-US">Hi Robin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
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nsi-language:EN-US">Since I did not get the chance to express my comment
 during the meeting, I&#8217;ll do over email.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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nsi-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US">&lt;<span class=3D"GramE">spring</span> co-chair hat
 on&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
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nsi-language:EN-US">SPRING/SR:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US">- is compliant with the MPLS architecture (RFC 3031)<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-tab-count:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>- <span class=3D"GramE">in</span> particular, in the control plane l=
abels are locally allocated and in the forwarding plane, labels (of global =
segments) are
<span class=3D"SpellE">SWAPed</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
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an></p>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-tab-count:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>- <span class=3D"GramE">local</span> segments uses local labels<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-tab-count:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>- <span class=3D"GramE">global</span> segments uses global index &#4=
3; local labels (aka SRGB)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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nsi-language:EN-US">- is not requesting the MPLS WG to work on global/domain
 wide label. (<span class=3D"GramE">i.e</span>. the debate is closed from t=
he SPRING standpoint.). Obviously, the MPLS WG is free to re-open the debat=
e, but this is not a spring thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US">&lt;/spring co-chair hat on&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US">Based on this, some of your slides referring to
 &#8220;SR uses cases&#8221; seem a bit misleading. (I can&#8217;t be more =
specific since during the meeting, I could see the slides but could not com=
ment, and now I can comment but can&#8217;t see the slides as they are not =
online).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:C=
alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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alibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-US">-- Bruno<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class=3D"SpellE">mpls</span> [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Beh=
alf Of </b>
Lizhenbin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> mpls@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [mpls] Solicit Opinions on Definition of MPLS Global Label<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">Hi MPLSers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">As the development of MPLS technologies, many ne=
w label concepts beyond RFC3031 are proposed. And&nbsp;in segment routing M=
PLS label can be
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">allocated and flooded in the network which means=
 the meaning of the lablel can be understood by all nodes in the network. I=
t is totally different from<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">the label distribution behavior of LDP, RSVP-TE,=
 and MP-BGP. From my point of view we need not argue if it is global label =
or global ID. In fact, the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">possible persons who read the drafts of protocol=
 extensions for segment routing which incorporate the label allocation may =
be confused that MPLS WG as<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">the base of MPLS work seems to have nothing with=
 the work. But the challenge of definition of global label truly exists whi=
ch has been proposed in the draft<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-mpls=
-global-label-usecases-03.txt">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-mpls-global=
-label-usecases-03.txt</a>. Hope you can refer to Section
 4 of the draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">The debates on MPLS global label have lasted for=
 a long time. The opinions can be classified as following:<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">Opinion 1: Segment Routing has nothing with glob=
al label and please do not make it bother MPLS WG. But it&nbsp;seems a litt=
le hard to convince some MPLSers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">Opinion 2: The usecase truly exists. But the con=
cept of global label is too big. It is hard to allocate a label which is un=
ique spanning multiple domains or
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">as IP address which is unique all over world sin=
ce it is not a scalable way or it is hard to achieve the goal. Then maybe i=
t is a better way to narrow the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">scope to rename the global label as Domain-wide =
label, Network-wide label, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">Opinion 3: The global label can be kept to cover=
 more label concepts which label behaviors in the control plane and forward=
 plane&nbsp;are different form the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">traditional LDP/RSVP-TE/MP-BGP.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">Since I could not get more time in&nbsp;my prese=
ntation&nbsp;to collect your opinions, if convenient please help feedback y=
our opinion in your mailing list. Hope through
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">the discussion we can make some consensus.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">Zhenbin(Robin)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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