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Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02.txt

"George Swallow -X (swallow - CLEARPATH WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT INC at Cisco)" <swallow@cisco.com> Mon, 28 March 2016 15:11 UTC

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From: "George Swallow -X (swallow - CLEARPATH WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT INC at Cisco)" <swallow@cisco.com>
To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02.txt
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No change to the term. Just pointing out that sellers and potential buyers don't necessarily agree on what a reasonable fee is.

On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com<mailto:acee@cisco.com>> wrote:

Hey George,
It is somewhat of an industry standard term so I don't think we can just change it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discriminatory_licensing

On that note, I'm glad I don't have to worry about FRAN terms with IPR and drafts any more...

Thanks,
Acee

From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf of George Swallow <swallow.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:swallow.ietf@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, March 25, 2016 at 8:29 PM
To: Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net<mailto:rbonica@juniper.net>>
Cc: "mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>" <mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02.txt

With chair hat off, I really hate "reasonable", since there is really no definition of what is "reasonable".  Can we find a way around this?
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George

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net<mailto:rbonica@juniper.net>> wrote:
Ross,

I agree with Adrian's statement, below.

                             Ron

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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:34:36 -0000
> From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>
> To: "'Ross Callon'" <rcallon@juniper.net<mailto:rcallon@juniper.net>>, <mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>>
> Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on
>       draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02.txt
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> Ross, thanks for this notice.
>
> I need to read the IPR referenced by the disclosure, but pending that, I do
> not support this document going forward in its current state.
>
> I think it is important for the working group to seek to develop solutions that
> either completely unencumbered by IPR or that is available on free-to-
> implementers terms. It may turn out that this is not possible with the
> disclosed IPR, but I think the WG should try.
>
> For the avoidance of doubt: I am not making any comment on the IPR-
> holder's rights to impose whatever license they want, and I am not asking
> them to vary their terms.
>
> I do not that it would be convenient if the IPR holder updated the disclosure
> to show that it applies to the current WG draft.
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
>

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